Hi, I'm new at playing omaha hi low online, got some experience live. What do you think about my hand preflop then on the flop?

I do not think my hand is good enought to 3 bet, my opponnent seems to be the more active reg of the limit. But when we get squeez and he call I think my hand become powerfull, they must be figting for the low board and the 4 aces are out of the deck so I get a low playability if I call. But they are playing the same cards.

Looking forward to hear from you guys !

So I decide to 4 bet and push every high board and decide on more complexe board.

Flop : I got a good price but I think the board is horrible they both got a low draw and at least 1 pair. So I fold.

PokerStars - $1 PL Hi/Lo (6 max) - Omaha Hi/Lo - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: $155.65 (VPIP: 28.93, PFR: 13.93, 3Bet Preflop: 2.94, Hands: 572)
MP: $43.24 (VPIP: 25.57, PFR: 17.15, 3Bet Preflop: 6.72, Hands: 314)
CO: $108.80 (VPIP: 22.99, PFR: 14.94, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 89)
Hero (BTN): $181.26
SB: $138.79 (VPIP: 50.60, PFR: 30.92, 3Bet Preflop: 10.78, Hands: 257)
BB: $209.93 (VPIP: 22.90, PFR: 14.21, 3Bet Preflop: 6.58, Hands: 1,084)

SB posts SB $0.50, BB posts BB $1.00

Pre Flop: (pot: $1.50) Hero has 9 K A A

UTG raises to $2.50, fold, fold, Hero calls $2.50, SB raises to $11.00, fold, UTG calls $8.50, Hero raises to $45.00, SB calls $34.00, UTG calls $34.00

Flop: ($136.00, 3 players) 2 3 T
SB bets $93.79 and is all-in, UTG raises to $110.65 and is all-in, fold

Turn: ($323.58, 2 players) J

River: ($323.58, 2 players) 9

SB shows 4 6 A 3 (One Pair, Threes)
(Pre 49%, Flop 59%, Turn 57%)
UTG shows 6 A 5 3 (One Pair, Threes)
(Pre 51%, Flop 41%, Turn 43%)
UTG wins $160.54
SB wins $160.54

Would not 4bet/fold this board with aces. If you think your reads are right then you have all high cards as outs. 9TJQK = 20 outs minus the T on flop and 9K in your hand = 17 outs. 37 cards left so you are around 40% equity and only need about 25% to call since they are both all-in. Don't fold with that good of a price.

yeah, you can't fold this flop.

Hi thank for your answers, I was thinking same way this morning but I got a doubt and run a simulation :

I think the first guy got an oppening range going from 12% to 15% and would fold some hands. And the other guy was pretty agressive so i put him a range between 10% and 15%.


And apparently I just got 20% equity.

board: 2d3sTh
Hand Equity Scoops Wins Hi Ties Hi Wins Lo Ties Lo
15% 38.73% 119,210 192,456 22,583 170,506 75,215
10% 39.81% 124,946 203,040 26,443 163,578 75,215
AdAcKh9s 21.45% 74,117 175,550 9,329 0 0

board: 2d3sTh
Hand Equity Scoops Wins Hi Ties Hi Wins Lo Ties Lo
10% 39.65% 122,995 199,793 27,070 162,176 83,225
10% 39.67% 122,980 199,612 27,044 162,195 83,225
AdAcKh9s 20.68% 71,423 169,884 7,904 0 0

So do you think you should have 4-bet bloated the pot against those tight ranges?

The reasons to 4-bet the pot in your position with this hand are 1) to get folds (good if your opponents are chasing 1/2 pots with lows, bad if they have tight raising ranges) and 2) to set up a shove on the flop with only a pot-sized bet left in your stack.

You're worried about low playability on the flop if you just call but it also makes for easy playability when you get a bad flop and don't have much invested. If they have the ranges you think they do in your simulation, then don't bloat the pot and just call the 3bet.

Thx,

First of all I thought I would be in a better shape preflop like around 38% which I'm not. So yeah I think you are right I should have called.

Hand Equity Scoops Wins Hi Ties Hi Wins Lo Ties Lo
10% 34.66% 102,088 156,912 19,282 143,608 82,739
15% 32.10% 94,828 165,913 15,603 105,316 82,739
9hKsAcAd 33.24% 133,390 253,892 13,229 0 0

Then I didn't expected too much fold and my plan was to go all in on most of the flop.

But getting a board with both a 2 and a 3 was the worst possible low board draw possible I think. So I decided to let go my hand.

I would have go all in on this board for example :

board: 4d5cTh
Hand Equity Scoops Wins Hi Ties Hi Wins Lo Ties Lo
10% 39.14% 115,252 171,662 35,017 182,012 116,200
15% 34.75% 95,851 179,655 32,301 120,797 116,200
9hKsAcAd 26.11% 95,096 211,060 8,312 0 0

the results of a simulation, that is the determination of the avg. pot equity, is only useful/accurate as long as the assumptions used, that is the ranges considered, are useful/accurate.

how often do you think 2 hands(ranges) in the top 10% are dealt when AAK9 is also dealt?

how often do you think 2 hands(ranges) in the top 10% are dealt when AAK9 is dealt as well as 23T is revealed as the flop?

how often do you think 2 hands(ranges) in the top 15% are dealt when AAK9 is dealt as well as 23T is revealed as the flop?


btw, to post a PPT simulation.
on the propokertools webpage, below the simulation you should see --Edit - Link - 2+2 - Deuces Cracked, if you move your cursor onto the 2+2 and click, text will be revealed. select all, copy/paste into your thread and the simulation will be posted as such:

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi/Lo Simulation

600,000 trials (Randomized)

board: 45t

Hand	Pot equity	Scoops	Wins Hi	Ties Hi	Wins Lo	Ties Lo
ahaskd9c	25.80%	94,042	208,306	8,548	0	0
10%	39.34%	116,089	173,051	35,056	182,028	117,250
15%	34.85%	96,265	180,960	32,155	119,693	117,250

That's fairly interesting as I would expect more A2 hands in the top 10-15%, so I would think T54 would be a better flop for those hands. KQ2A or similar A2 hands should consider folding the T32 flop but not the T54 flop.

I also didn't realize that order mattered for 3-handed simulations so I learned something new today. Not enough to matter, but interesting that you have .31% more equity than ngFTW - that is some run-bad right there .

hey grey, you change the order and it will apparently run another simulation even if its identical ranges and board. I guess it doesn't recognize it as the same simulation. But i think the difference in results (the .31%) is because its a "randomized" simulation and so the randomized selection of hands of the 10% and 15% ranges causes slightly different results., but the selection of hands is different for each sim.
change the order of an "exhaustive" sim and it recognizes it as an identical sim and doesn't run it again.

Thx for the tip.

Again I'm new in online omaha hi low,

Could you explain me where you want to go wiht this :

"how often do you think 2 hands(ranges) in the top 10% are dealt when AAK9 is also dealt?

how often do you think 2 hands(ranges) in the top 10% are dealt when AAK9 is dealt as well as 23T is revealed as the flop?

how often do you think 2 hands(ranges) in the top 15% are dealt when AAK9 is dealt as well as 23T is revealed as the flop?"

In Holdem I would understand the way you think for example if an opponent open 13% of hand in EP and I got an A in my hand it mean than in this particular hand his openning range was <13% because I got an A.

But in this case the fact I don't see how it affect the ranges because we are 3: I got AA and they both got an Ace wiht low cards.

If it would have been just me and UTG yes, I understand that because I got AAXX and he is tight in UTG he is really likely to got a monster.

I'm not sur I'm clear ^^

It is my first simulation in Omaha hi low.

Greybeard33 :

First of all on 23X I'm a bit scared to be already bitten by some A23X, A22X, A33X
Then as they are really likely to have a pair they got 2 other cards to get a double pair.

So I feel better in a 45X because if they don't hit their low, I won, If they hit then my High is likely to be bad.

i think 2 10% ranges was too narrow. it was improbable. the card removal effects of the 2 aces and the K in your hand is pretty sizable to the 10% range as is the removal of a 2 and a 3. the fact that your AAK9 is rainbow rather then lets say doublesuited seems to have a great effect with regard to 10% hands in the simulations i've run.

with regard to the belief they both hold an Ace, there are as many hands with an Ace in the top 10% as there are in the next 11% (that is 10%-21%).

Yes, assigning ranges, generating possible hands and the card removal effects in 4 card poker is much more complicated then it is in holdem.

Oh, when I saying that the first player open between 12% and 15% it was just to give information (from my tracker and my notes) about the player profil

This hand is not a squeeze/pot preflop ever.

The logic of having good equity multiway is flawed. 3 way you will never have great equity with this exact aces. This aces is almost like having KQJ9 in a 3 way pot.

As it played out, if I were you I'd be calling flop, you now block two of the low draw outs, so equity can't be that bad.

I would have folded pre, you have very weak aces, ur not even suited...

call would be my 2nd choice, LLH flop get out of the way, HHL flop play it.

as played, you are committed... you are committed, you turned it into a high variance play.