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03-04-2017 , 10:32 AM

winedinethen69

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Hand from yesterday, stakes are 5/10:

I have Ac3s4s4h on the btn, 2 limps to me and I limp, sb raises to $10, calls all around. Go to the flop 5 handed. Flop is 2h4h8h. Sb leads $5, HJ calls, I call.

Thinking back, maybe I should raise pre? I'm new to O8 and definitely a little shy about raising preflop.

Does anyone think I should raise flop? Am I automatically buckled in to showdown unless my low gets counterfeited?

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03-04-2017 , 11:24 AM

greybeard33

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I wouldn't raise pre with 2 limps in front of me. As for the flop I would donk this flop often. Raising is probably ok too but no matter what I am going to showdown nearly all of the time.

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03-04-2017 , 02:13 PM

leavesofliberty

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This hand isn't good enough to raise pre, especially since the ace is unsuited. There's about a 6% chance of getting delt an A2, but it's a good math problem to figure-out how often someone has an A2 if you already have an A3. I'd raise the flop though as you have scoop potential, and you're against two opponents. Your scoop potential outweighs your chances of getting quartered or counterfeitted, though I haven't run hard numbers on it.

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03-04-2017 , 05:45 PM

niss

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Put the stakes and game type (LO8, PLO8, NLO8) in the thread title please, thanks.

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03-04-2017 , 07:10 PM

winedinethen69

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Originally Posted by niss

Put the stakes and game type (LO8, PLO8, NLO8) in the thread title please, thanks.

Will do.

As for the hand i called to showdown and sb had Ah3h and hj had set of 8s, so I was quartered unless I hit quads.

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03-04-2017 , 09:18 PM

monikrazy

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Limp preflop is typically better than a raise, especially without being suited to the ace

I would raise the flop here very often and rarely delay it until the turn, there is a high chance we have the only nut lo and even vs better hi hands like a flush we have plenty of outs to scoop

Another reason to raise is protection, opener would normally cbet with a hand like ahac5skd, we can get scooped if a 3 hits, etc

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03-04-2017 , 09:19 PM

LUCIUS VARENUS

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is this limit?

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03-06-2017 , 12:30 AM

ninefingershuffle

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I raise in both spots. Flop is not close.

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03-06-2017 , 08:41 PM

winedinethen69

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Originally Posted by LUCIUS VARENUS

is this limit?

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Yes it is limit.

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03-06-2017 , 11:29 PM

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e1cnr

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When you have nut low, don't get too excited when there are a few still in the hand, unless they have proven to call and stay with anything. The only thing worse than getting quartered is getting sixth'd or eighth'd or tenth'd. If the board shows a wheel, there is a chance everyone will share low.

When you get more experience, you will get a feel for who has high or low. When you have the nut high (that can't be shared) on the river, that is a good time to raise.

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03-07-2017 , 07:58 AM

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RichGangi

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I like flatting pre, but flop is an auto raise.

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03-07-2017 , 09:16 PM

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NickMPK

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Originally Posted by RichGangi

I like flatting pre, but flop is an auto raise.

This is what I would do too.

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03-07-2017 , 11:59 PM

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lotuspod2

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Originally Posted by leavesofliberty

Your scoop potential outweighs your chances of getting quartered or counterfeitted, though I haven't run hard numbers on it.

Even if they are pretty strong, the numbers look good for us. The only exceptions are going hu against ah3h** or a388 of course. But there should be enough in the pot by then to risk a potential 40/60 flip hu anyway. There's already $60 in there before we act on the flop. Just flatting may be good also, if you want to try and keep as many as possible in on the later streets for the bigger bets.

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi/Lo Simulation

600,000 trials (Randomized)

board: 2

Hand	Pot equity	Scoops	Wins Hi	Ties Hi	Wins Lo	Ties Lo
Ac3s4s4d	47.87%	79,849	200,610	0	231,317	303,740
Ah[2-5][2-K][3-K]	26.15%	14,887	182,751	15	37,040	206,769
KhJhAd[2-5]	25.99%	7,998	216,624	15	16,585	176,055

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi/Lo Simulation

600,000 trials (Randomized)

board: 2

Hand	Pot equity	Scoops	Wins Hi	Ties Hi	Wins Lo	Ties Lo
Ac3s4s4d	33.22%	0	160,359	0	0	551,455
Ah3h	53.07%	3,249	391,466	76	3,938	558,048
Ad[2-5][5-8][5-8]	7.82%	321	22,551	237	23,673	140,703
20%	3.98%	8	11,217	146	4,784	95,162
33%	1.90%	6	14,103	149	2,103	19,301

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi/Lo Simulation

740,460 trials (Exhaustive)

board: 2

Hand	Pot equity	Scoops	Wins Hi	Ties Hi	Wins Lo	Ties Lo
Ac3s4s4d	40.10%	0	250,795	37	0	686,128
Ah3h	59.90%	42,380	489,628	37	54,332	686,128

The ranges aren't perfect by any means, but hopefully they give you a general idea where our hand stands at least.

Last edited by lotuspod2; 03-08-2017 at 12:24 AM.

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03-08-2017 , 08:30 PM

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Plsmrshenry

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If this is limit I'd raise pre often against weakies on the button. Jam flop, not close

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04-18-2017 , 03:42 AM

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Nut Nut

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Originally Posted by e1cnr

How is it possible to get a tenth?

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04-18-2017 , 04:37 AM

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I think the least it's possible to get is a 16th.

The board is A2345, and 8 people see show down, with each holding two wheel cards (15 wheel cards available). Of course one of them also has the 67 so gets the high half, while everyone else splits the low.

You would get a tenth if you had a wheel with that board, and only shared the low with 4 other players instead of 7 others.

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04-18-2017 , 07:03 AM

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lotuspod2

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Originally Posted by chillrob

The board is A2345, and 8 people see show down, with each holding two wheel cards (15 wheel cards available). Of course one of them also has the 67 so gets the high half, while everyone else splits the low.

There should be some kind of bad beat jackpot for this or something

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04-18-2017 , 09:33 AM

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NickMPK

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Originally Posted by chillrob

If there are 15 wheel cards available, only 7 players can have a wheel. So the smallest portion possible is 1/14th.

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04-18-2017 , 11:57 AM

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chillrob

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Yeah, you're right. I was on the right track, but somehow had a brain fart and rounded up instead of down after dividing 15 by 2.

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04-23-2017 , 12:55 AM

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inrenokid

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You should have folded the flop the sb raised then with a bet out, he must have a A3, ranging is only one way to read hands also you can go backwards to reason the the meaning of their bet etc. as in this case no doubt if you raise pre he reraises then you have to fold flop,
You are not tied to hand until showdown his raise lead out is very strong proof of A3 or flush , naked lows no good.

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04-23-2017 , 12:57 AM

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inrenokid

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The rule is never fold a scooping hand or a hand that can not be scoop but everthing else you can .

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04-23-2017 , 12:09 PM

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doctorflush

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What was the final run out?

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04-23-2017 , 01:02 PM

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NickMPK

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Originally Posted by inrenokid

No no no no no no. Every one of your posts is completely incoherent, and any advice that can be pulled out of it is almost always terrible. I don't know if you are just trolling, but please stop posting.

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04-23-2017 , 01:10 PM

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niss

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Originally Posted by inrenokid

The rule is never fold a scooping hand or a hand that can not be scoop but everthing else you can .

but he has a hand that could potentially scoop or 3/4?

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