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Old 03-04-2017, 10:32 AM   #1
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Nut low and set on a monotone board

Hand from yesterday, stakes are 5/10:

I have Ac3s4s4h on the btn, 2 limps to me and I limp, sb raises to $10, calls all around. Go to the flop 5 handed. Flop is 2h4h8h. Sb leads $5, HJ calls, I call.

Thinking back, maybe I should raise pre? I'm new to O8 and definitely a little shy about raising preflop.

Does anyone think I should raise flop? Am I automatically buckled in to showdown unless my low gets counterfeited?
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Old 03-04-2017, 11:24 AM   #2
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Re: Nut low and set on a monotone board

I wouldn't raise pre with 2 limps in front of me. As for the flop I would donk this flop often. Raising is probably ok too but no matter what I am going to showdown nearly all of the time.
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Old 03-04-2017, 02:13 PM   #3
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Re: Nut low and set on a monotone board

This hand isn't good enough to raise pre, especially since the ace is unsuited. There's about a 6% chance of getting delt an A2, but it's a good math problem to figure-out how often someone has an A2 if you already have an A3. I'd raise the flop though as you have scoop potential, and you're against two opponents. Your scoop potential outweighs your chances of getting quartered or counterfeitted, though I haven't run hard numbers on it.
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Old 03-04-2017, 05:45 PM   #4
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Re: Nut low and set on a monotone board

Put the stakes and game type (LO8, PLO8, NLO8) in the thread title please, thanks.
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Old 03-04-2017, 07:10 PM   #5
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Put the stakes and game type (LO8, PLO8, NLO8) in the thread title please, thanks.
Will do.


As for the hand i called to showdown and sb had Ah3h and hj had set of 8s, so I was quartered unless I hit quads.
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Old 03-04-2017, 09:18 PM   #6
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Re: Nut low and set on a monotone board

Limp preflop is typically better than a raise, especially without being suited to the ace

I would raise the flop here very often and rarely delay it until the turn, there is a high chance we have the only nut lo and even vs better hi hands like a flush we have plenty of outs to scoop

Another reason to raise is protection, opener would normally cbet with a hand like ahac5skd, we can get scooped if a 3 hits, etc
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Old 03-04-2017, 09:19 PM   #7
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Re: Nut low and set on a monotone board

is this limit?

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Old 03-06-2017, 12:30 AM   #8
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Re: Nut low and set on a monotone board

I raise in both spots. Flop is not close.
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Old 03-06-2017, 08:41 PM   #9
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is this limit?

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Yes it is limit.
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Old 03-06-2017, 11:29 PM   #10
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Re: Nut low and set on a monotone board

When you have nut low, don't get too excited when there are a few still in the hand, unless they have proven to call and stay with anything. The only thing worse than getting quartered is getting sixth'd or eighth'd or tenth'd. If the board shows a wheel, there is a chance everyone will share low.

When you get more experience, you will get a feel for who has high or low. When you have the nut high (that can't be shared) on the river, that is a good time to raise.
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Old 03-07-2017, 07:58 AM   #11
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Re: Nut low and set on a monotone board

I like flatting pre, but flop is an auto raise.
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Old 03-07-2017, 09:16 PM   #12
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I like flatting pre, but flop is an auto raise.
This is what I would do too.
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Old 03-07-2017, 11:59 PM   #13
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Re: Nut low and set on a monotone board

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Your scoop potential outweighs your chances of getting quartered or counterfeitted, though I haven't run hard numbers on it.
Even if they are pretty strong, the numbers look good for us. The only exceptions are going hu against ah3h** or a388 of course. But there should be enough in the pot by then to risk a potential 40/60 flip hu anyway. There's already $60 in there before we act on the flop. Just flatting may be good also, if you want to try and keep as many as possible in on the later streets for the bigger bets.

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Hand Pot equity Scoops Wins HiTies HiWins Lo Ties Lo
Ac3s4s4d47.87% 79,849200,6100231,317303,740
Ah[2-5][2-K][3-K]26.15% 14,887182,7511537,040206,769
KhJhAd[2-5]25.99% 7,998216,6241516,585176,055

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Hand Pot equity Scoops Wins HiTies HiWins Lo Ties Lo
Ac3s4s4d33.22% 0160,35900551,455
Ah3h53.07% 3,249391,466763,938558,048
Ad[2-5][5-8][5-8]7.82% 32122,55123723,673140,703
20%3.98% 811,2171464,78495,162
33%1.90% 614,1031492,10319,301

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Hand Pot equity Scoops Wins HiTies HiWins Lo Ties Lo
Ac3s4s4d40.10% 0250,795370686,128
Ah3h59.90% 42,380489,6283754,332686,128

The ranges aren't perfect by any means, but hopefully they give you a general idea where our hand stands at least.

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Old 03-08-2017, 08:30 PM   #14
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Re: Nut low and set on a monotone board

If this is limit I'd raise pre often against weakies on the button. Jam flop, not close
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Old 04-18-2017, 03:42 AM   #15
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Re: Nut low and set on a monotone board

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When you have nut low, don't get too excited when there are a few still in the hand, unless they have proven to call and stay with anything. The only thing worse than getting quartered is getting sixth'd or eighth'd or tenth'd. If the board shows a wheel, there is a chance everyone will share low.

When you get more experience, you will get a feel for who has high or low. When you have the nut high (that can't be shared) on the river, that is a good time to raise.
How is it possible to get a tenth?
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Old 04-18-2017, 04:37 AM   #16
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Re: Nut low and set on a monotone board

I think the least it's possible to get is a 16th.

The board is A2345, and 8 people see show down, with each holding two wheel cards (15 wheel cards available). Of course one of them also has the 67 so gets the high half, while everyone else splits the low.

You would get a tenth if you had a wheel with that board, and only shared the low with 4 other players instead of 7 others.
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Old 04-18-2017, 07:03 AM   #17
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The board is A2345, and 8 people see show down, with each holding two wheel cards (15 wheel cards available). Of course one of them also has the 67 so gets the high half, while everyone else splits the low.
There should be some kind of bad beat jackpot for this or something
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Old 04-18-2017, 09:33 AM   #18
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I think the least it's possible to get is a 16th.

The board is A2345, and 8 people see show down, with each holding two wheel cards (15 wheel cards available). Of course one of them also has the 67 so gets the high half, while everyone else splits the low.

You would get a tenth if you had a wheel with that board, and only shared the low with 4 other players instead of 7 others.
If there are 15 wheel cards available, only 7 players can have a wheel. So the smallest portion possible is 1/14th.
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Old 04-18-2017, 11:57 AM   #19
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Re: Nut low and set on a monotone board

Yeah, you're right. I was on the right track, but somehow had a brain fart and rounded up instead of down after dividing 15 by 2.
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Old 04-23-2017, 12:55 AM   #20
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Re: Nut low and set on a monotone board

You should have folded the flop the sb raised then with a bet out, he must have a A3, ranging is only one way to read hands also you can go backwards to reason the the meaning of their bet etc. as in this case no doubt if you raise pre he reraises then you have to fold flop,
You are not tied to hand until showdown his raise lead out is very strong proof of A3 or flush , naked lows no good.
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Old 04-23-2017, 12:57 AM   #21
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Re: Nut low and set on a monotone board

The rule is never fold a scooping hand or a hand that can not be scoop but everthing else you can .
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Old 04-23-2017, 12:09 PM   #22
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Re: Nut low and set on a monotone board

What was the final run out?
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Old 04-23-2017, 01:02 PM   #23
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You should have folded the flop the sb raised then with a bet out, he must have a A3, ranging is only one way to read hands also you can go backwards to reason the the meaning of their bet etc. as in this case no doubt if you raise pre he reraises then you have to fold flop,
You are not tied to hand until showdown his raise lead out is very strong proof of A3 or flush , naked lows no good.
No no no no no no. Every one of your posts is completely incoherent, and any advice that can be pulled out of it is almost always terrible. I don't know if you are just trolling, but please stop posting.
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Old 04-23-2017, 01:10 PM   #24
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The rule is never fold a scooping hand or a hand that can not be scoop but everthing else you can .
but he has a hand that could potentially scoop or 3/4?
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