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Old 08-10-2010, 03:35 PM   #101
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Re: Newb thread (thread for newcomer's questions) - includes links to popular wells

if u want to play PLo8 start with pl10 or even pl5 you will learn faster and move up fairly quickly
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Old 08-12-2010, 01:16 AM   #102
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Hi

I'm going to learn LO8 and wondered what stakes you would recommend based on my previous poker experience.

I'm essentially breakeven at NLHE from NL10-NL50 over 30,000 or so hands, a 4bb/100 winner at SH PLO $0.02/$0.05 and $0.05/$0.10 over around 12,000 hands and before the days of tracking software I took a $300 roll up to $1,500 and then a $500 roll to $2,200 playing FLHE using a 300bb bankroll.

My current roll is around $350 so I wondered what stakes would be best for LO8. I was thinking some $0.50/$1 and $0.25/$0.50. I'm hoping to build a roll that will allow me to play some PLO8 although all the games seem to be 25-50bb at the moment.

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I'm not the best one to reply to you about what limits you should play or what you need for a bankroll.

Why don't you try googling "bankroll needed for Omaha-8 poker"? I think you'll find a bunch of different opinions. I think the truth probably has some dependence on how you play.

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Old 08-12-2010, 08:08 AM   #103
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Is $2/$4-$3/$6 FLO8 HU worth playing? The rake seems sick... Played some at full tilt. Or is it better to just stick to SNGs until I can play higher?
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Old 08-12-2010, 08:35 AM   #104
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rake get easier to manage at like 10/20+ i think...theres a list of calculation somewhere around here
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Old 08-12-2010, 09:00 AM   #105
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Ok, guess i stick to SNGs for a while more then.
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Old 08-13-2010, 08:00 AM   #106
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I'm not the best one to reply to you about what limits you should play or what you need for a bankroll.

Why don't you try googling "bankroll needed for Omaha-8 poker"? I think you'll find a bunch of different opinions. I think the truth probably has some dependence on how you play.

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I did this and it appears that the general feeling is you need less than FLHE but the reason I asked was because I was wondering about the average skill levels of the players at the stakes I enquired about, especially as I have no knowledge of LO8 at all
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Old 08-13-2010, 08:15 AM   #107
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I did this and it appears that the general feeling is you need less than FLHE but the reason I asked was because I was wondering about the average skill levels of the players at the stakes I enquired about, especially as I have no knowledge of LO8 at all
I don't know how to assess skill levels. Seems like it's a relative thing. Sorry I can't help more.

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Old 08-17-2010, 01:35 PM   #108
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Re: Newb thread (thread for newcomer's questions) - includes links to popular wells

hi there,

i tried the search function, but couldn`t find anything. what is a moderate brm for plo8 HUSnG´s at the 10$-20$ regular speeds?
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Old 08-17-2010, 03:16 PM   #109
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I have a couple of questions, sorry for sounding like a extreme noob

1) What kind of winrates are attainable at LO8 for 8/16 up to 30/60 for the decent regs

2) Is there anyone at these limits that have posted up a decent sample of there results
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Old 08-17-2010, 04:34 PM   #110
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hi there,

i tried the search function, but couldn`t find anything. what is a moderate brm for plo8 HUSnG´s at the 10$-20$ regular speeds?
I assume "brm" means "bank roll management" to you.

"Bank roll management" means playing within your limits in order to withstand streaks of bad luck as player dependent on continued poker success as your main source of income, keeping enough money in reserve so as not to go broke.

I don't know much about bank roll management. If I wanted to learn more about it, I'd google the term.

I’m going to google “bank roll management for $10 or $20 pot limit Omaha-8 sit 'n go tournaments” for you and provide a link for you and hopefully everyone else who ever asks a question about bank roll management.

Here you go:
http://www.directoryofonlinepoker.co...nagement.shtml

Here’s the general listing you get when googling the term:
http://www.google.com/search?client=...=Google+Search

I hope those help.

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Old 08-17-2010, 04:45 PM   #111
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I have a couple of questions, sorry for sounding like a extreme noob

1) What kind of winrates are attainable at LO8 for 8/16 up to 30/60 for the decent regs
I think it depends on how much better you are than the opponents you face.

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2) Is there anyone at these limits that have posted up a decent sample of there results
Sometimes results are posted by someone, usually in the monthly "catch all" thread.

I have no way to verify the truth of what someone else posts.

Be aware that some poker players are notorious liars.

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Old 08-18-2010, 09:11 AM   #112
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I don't think we have any higher limit regs in here. Howzit plays 30/60 I think, and PWMN plays 75/150 abit.
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Old 08-21-2010, 02:42 PM   #113
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Am I understanding the rank function on propokertools.com correctly?

It simply states wether your imputed hand falls in the range of hands in the percentile given?

ie; as2s9dqh is in the top 8% of hands?
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Old 08-21-2010, 04:36 PM   #114
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yes, you seem to understand correctly.

a rank of 8 is indeed saying that it falls in the 8th percentile of all hands

propokertools ranked all 4 card omaha hands, i believe you can find a link to the list and to an explanation of the simulation used to compile the list in the FAQ of this forum. propokertools then utilizes this list for its rank function.

1% or 1st percentile are the best hands and 99% or 99th percentile are the worst hands.

so, when as2s9dqh is ranked 8 it is saying approximately 1150 are ranked as better, and approximately 15030 are ranked as worse.

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Old 08-27-2010, 04:49 PM   #115
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Re: Newb thread (thread for newcomer's questions) - includes links to popular wells

Can you post a link to some great O8 strat guides on the forums?
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Old 08-27-2010, 06:24 PM   #116
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Can you post a link to some great O8 strat guides on the forums?
No. I can't. You should read a book for that. There's no link possible to a book posted on this forum, because so far as I know, there is no complete book posted on this forum. Sorry.

If you read a book, make sure it's a good one.

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Old 08-27-2010, 06:43 PM   #117
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No. I can't. You should read a book for that. There's no link possible to a book posted on this forum, because so far as I know, there is no complete book posted on this forum. Sorry.

If you read a book, make sure it's a good one.

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Wasnt looking for a book. Was looking for strat postings like they have in the NL forums.


http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/39...ection-100801/

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Old 08-27-2010, 06:53 PM   #118
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Wasnt looking for a book. Was looking for strat postings like they have in the NL forums.


http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/39...ection-100801/
I see. That's an excellent thread by goofyballer.

Nope. We don't have anything like that. Sorry.

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Old 08-27-2010, 08:07 PM   #119
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Wasnt looking for a book. Was looking for strat postings like they have in the NL forums.


http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/39...ection-100801/
I think you misapprehended Buzz's response if you think he gave you "attitude". I think what Buzz was telling you is that the link(s) you're looking for doesn't exist.

Welcome to the forum. A good place to start is to read the wells. I believe there is a link to them in this thread. Particularly good recent wells are Dorsal Fin and PWMN. Hope this helps.
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Old 08-30-2010, 11:56 AM   #120
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As a new player to 08 (less than 500 hands) should I be sitting at the micro 6max games or full ring? Or better yet would I be better sitting HU?

I'm a winning play at NLHE HUSNG and Cash (by far mostly HUSNG) and I believe HU has improved my ring game abilities and hand reading just a ton more than playing 6max ever did. Does this same principle apply to 08? Is there even much action in 08 HU or is it just regs like LHE?

Finally are 08 HUSNG worth playing or are they a total crap shoot like PLO HUSNG?

Thanks!
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Old 08-30-2010, 04:11 PM   #121
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As a new player to 08 (less than 500 hands) should I be sitting at the micro 6max games or full ring? Or better yet would I be better sitting HU?
In my humble opinion, full ring is probably best for you as you learn the game.

I think you have to learn how to play tightly. Being able to play tightly when prudent requires self discipline and is easier for some than others. My idea is you start out playing very tightly, squeaky clean tightly, as you learn, and then gradually expand your range of starting hands. You can't do that heads-up, and I don't think you even can do that in six max.

As a beginner to Omaha-8, voluntarily play only about ten per cent of your starting hands, just the ones that tend to make the nuts on the river. A2**, A3** with a suited ace, AA**. Just that group. Fold everything else.

Carefully watch what your opponents do and take notes about your opponents. You especially want to know how tenacious they are, in addition to the obvious how aggressively and how tightly they play. If you can figure out what hands they seem to voluntarily play as starting hands, and how they react to raises at various stages and from whom, that's good note material too.

Be aware that Omaha-8 is quite a different poker game than Texas hold 'em. The general principles of poker apply to both games, but the emphasis in how some principles are applied is somewhat different in Omaha-8 than in Texas hold 'em. That should be, and probably is, obvious. But old habits, especially winning habits, are hard to break.

Your primary goal during the initial learning period should be learning how your opponents play. Thus when you're not playing a hand yourself, you should be carefully observing your opponents to learn how they play.

Since you're already a successful Texas hold 'em player, I imagine you already observe your opponents. I imagine you already either do or don't enjoy watching your opponents and trying to figure out how they play.

In my humble opinion, it's hard work to observe your opponents. But it's not as much of a chore if you enjoy watching how they play. I happen to enjoy watching how people play and I happen to enjoy trying to figure out what they're thinking.

If you don't enjoy watching how they play, watching what works for them and what doesn't work, then maybe you'll never figure out how to beat them enough to be long term successful at this game.

That's my idea. Other people have different ideas. If you do it my way, as a beginner to Omaha-8 you'll be passing up lots of playable hands. As a beginner, you'll be leaving cash behind on the table.

But I think you'll learn some self discipline, I think you'll learn the fundamentals of the game and I think you'll become a better observer of your opponents - and I think all three of those are important for long term success.

On the other hand, if you can hit upon some way to play to consistently beat your opponents, do that. Do whatever works for you.

Where you have a specific question, post a hand history here in this forum. Make sure you include your question. Try to be as specific as possible. You'll get various perspectives. It will take you a while to learn who to believe.

Different successful Omaha-8 players who post here have different successful strategies. Alas, we also have unsuccessful Omaha-8 players who post advice. Sometimes that advice is right and sometimes it's wrong. (That's probably also true of successful Omaha-8 players, but their advice is more likely to be correct than those who are unsuccessful). It simply is up to the reader to learn who to believe.

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I'm a winning play at NLHE HUSNG and Cash (by far mostly HUSNG) and I believe HU has improved my ring game abilities and hand reading just a ton more than playing 6max ever did. Does this same principle apply to 08?
I don't know what "principle" you're talking about. Do you mean will heads-up play improve your ring game play more than six-max will? If so, I think heads-up play may cause you to focus on individual opponents more than multi-opponent play will - and I think if you originally were unable to focus on individuals in your multi-game play, focusing on individuals in heads-up play may ultimately help your multi-opponent play.

But obviously, once you have learned how to focus on individuals, six-max play more resembles full-game play than heads-up play does.

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Is there even much action in 08 HU or is it just regs like LHE?
I don't know. I could guess, but your guess is probably as good as mine. Perhaps someone else reading this knows.

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Finally are 08 HUSNG worth playing or are they a total crap shoot like PLO HUSNG?
I have not played any pot-limit Omaha-high-only sit 'n go tournaments. Are they total crap shoots? I wouldn't know. Omaha-8 play seems quite different to me than Omaha-high-only play. In addition, fixed-limit Omaha-8, pot-limit Omaha-8, and no-limit Omaha-8 all also seem quite different to me (although obviously some general poker principles apply to all three of these).

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Old 09-01-2010, 02:02 AM   #122
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I have PT3 for holdem and I really like that program, and I also have PTO. Does PTO have a 3bet PF% stat like PT3 or do I need a diff program. Currently I am playing HUDless around 4-6 tables usually and just crushing, I have PokerAce HUD, but I'm kinda lazy on setting that up, is there a newb FAQ/startup thing for that as well? Thanks.

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Old 09-01-2010, 08:22 AM   #123
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I have PT3 for holdem and I really like that program, and I also have PTO. Does PTO have a 3bet PF% stat like PT3 or do I need a diff program.
I don't know. Their on-line site says PTO has the same features of PT3.
http://www.******************/pokertracker-omaha/

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Currently I am playing HUDless around 4-6 tables usually and just crushing, I have PokerAce HUD, but I'm kinda lazy on setting that up, is there a newb FAQ/startup thing for that as well?
Not that I know of.

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Old 09-01-2010, 08:49 AM   #124
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Why not just upgrade to PT3 for Omaha? The HUD works pretty much automatically. Not a whole lot of set up.
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Old 09-02-2010, 07:20 PM   #125
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I wanted to get some tips for NL O8. There is not much I could find searching. Should I use the same information for pot limit and apply it to the game and adjust as I go? I play limit O8 now, but have just started playing nl a lot more. I wanted to get more information on the game if its out there. Thanks.
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