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Originally Posted by PocketKings
I read somewhere that hands like 3c4c5d6d are trash in full ring but well above average in a three or four handed game.
However Propokertools shows that the rank of 3c4c5d6d goes down from 10H (16) -> 6H (20) -> 3H (29). Anyone has an explanantion for the contridiction?
Also, if you just look at the rank of 3c4c5d6d for 10H (ranking 16), it's about the same as a hand like As4hKdQc. Is 3c4c5d6d really a "trash" hand?
ProPokerTools Rankings for 3c4c5d6d
Ranking | Description | Average | Best | Worst |
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10H | 10-handed iterative (default) | 16.0 | 16.0 | 16.0 |
6H | 6-handed iterative | 20.0 | 20.0 | 20.0 |
3H | 3-handed iterative | 29.0 | 29.0 | 29.0 |
VR | vs. random hand | 38.0 | 38.0 | 38.0 |
I listed the six handed row above the three handed row. Otherwise the rankings are copied directly from ProPokerTools.
Here are rankings for a corresponding rainbow hand:
Rankings for 3c4h5d6s
Ranking | Description | Average | Best | Worst |
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10H | 10-handed iterative (default) | 41.0 | 41.0 | 41.0 |
6H | 6-handed iterative | 55.0 | 55.0 | 55.0 |
3H | 3-handed iterative | 73.0 | 73.0 | 73.0 |
VR | vs. random hand | 88.0 | 88.0 | 88.0 |
Again I listed the six handed row above the three handed row. Otherwise the rankings are copied directly from ProPokerTools.
Quote:
Anyone has an explanantion for the contridiction?
The rankings shown in the tables are all show down (no fold 'em) rankings. (Lower is better). A group of hands is simulated against the hand shown, and no hand folds even when obviously having little or no chance after the flop, turn, or river. But in a real game both of these hands come in second best a lot.
Second best is the worst hand in poker.
As you can see, double suited 3
4
5
6
fares substantially better than a corresponding rainbow hand, 3
4
5
6
in showdown simulations. The difference is evidently due to 3
4
5
6
winning more hands by making flushes.
However in a real game it may be hard for you to realize full value for
3
4
5
6
. In general, you tend to play any flush once you make it, but you don't want to be
drawing for a flush headed by a four or headed by a six. In general, you can't tell where you are if you're drawing for any flush lower than 2nd nut (and some tight Omaha-8 players don't like to draw for anything but a nut flush).
Of course a lot depends on how your opponents are playing.
With 3
4
5
6
you'd be primarily drawing for low or a low straight. If you made low, it would win sometimes, but it would also be second best a lot. Same for low straights... second best much of the time.
So that's a possible explanation for you.
Buzz