Hi Buzz! Hi everybody!

Recently I've started to read the series of articles in 2+2 Magazine "Flops in Omaha 8 or Better" - its realy good work! Thanks Frank! But I can't find some parts of this. Specifically - 1,2,3,6,7.

How is it possible to find this parts? I would be really interested to read it.

Thanks in advance for your help!

Hi.

Thanks.

You're welcome.

I posted parts 1, 2, 3, and 4 in this forum.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/44...012-a-1340406/
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/44...012-a-1340407/
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/44...012-a-1340408/
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/44...012-a-1340409/

Buzz

Thank you Frank for a quick response. It’s very kind of you.

Now I have almost all the articles in this series. It remains to find parts 6 (February 2013 Issue) and 7 (March 2013 Issue). But broken links I have found redirecting to Decmber 2013 Issue. As far in the original Issues:

Two Plus Two Magazine, Fabruary 2013 Issue

Two Plus Two Magazine, March 2013 Issue

all article links are no active now. Perhaps these articles were not publicly available on the network?

Anyway, thanks again for your help Frank and great work in Omaha-8!

yeah having a starting hand chart would help me out immensely in O8. since I am mainly confused whathands to play first in, after limps, after a raise and or reraise.

I am going to prolly have hwangs book with me for the first couple of sessions and see what hands to play preflop. particular with what hands to play when I see limps or raises

Hey all there,

after donking off some stacks playing PLOmaha 8 in my local casino i am very interested in progressing in this game. Because i want to start in lower limits and because of the rake in micro cgs, i would like to play some SNGs first to build up my roll.

Where do i find the most traffic at stars atm? NLO8 , PLO8? turbos, hypers?
Do i find softer games in 18 mans or single tables?
Where can i find some basic strategies to beat this games? I have the "PLO8-files" from DC, so this should give me a bit of fundamentals, although it is basically made for cashgames.

Sorry for asking maybe stupid questions, i already read the sticky but couldnt find that much of information.

A delayed happy new year from Berlin!

best regards!

The best strategy book available for PLO and other variants is Jeff hwang. Find his books and read them. They are a very good source of info. Hope this helps

I don't know.

Since I'm not interested in playing much on-line myself, I don't play on-line much.

Can't you visit all those places yourself and see for yourself? (Am I missing something?)

Wouldn't that depend on the individuals who were involved? Can't you play in those games yourself and see where you do better? (Am I missing something?)

You are referring to pot limit Omaha-8, right? My basic strategy to beat any poker game, including pot limit Omaha-8, is to watch my opponents carefully to learn how each individual plays. During the play of the hand, I carefully observe and hopefully remember as much as I can. Opponents seem to follow similar trends of behavior. By observing how they bet, and what cards they hold at showdown, I get an idea of how they have played a particular hand against a particular opponent or group of opponents. Your brain has to process what you have observed. And then there's quite a lot to remember.

I beat my opponents by some combination of luck, better concentration, knowing the game better, and being smarter than my opponents.

I lose to my opponents by some combination of luck, poorer concentration, not knowing the game as well, and being stupider than my opponents.

From my perspective there's no magic formula... no easy road to riches.

I don't think they're "stupid" questions. I'm sorry I don't have better answers for you.

Read this forum to try to learn how other people think about the game of Omaha-8. Post any questions you have. Post (converted) hand histories on this forum to get feed back and ideas about how hands should be played or not played.

Are you referring to the sticky in which you're posting and I'm replying, the newb's sticky?

If so, since I've written almost 200 replies giving advice to newbs in this sticky, I feel frustrated. Maybe what you need is a good coach. We don't allow coaches to advertise on this forum and we don't recommend coaches, but if you read all the threads, you may eventually learn to recognize those who know their stuff and are interested in coaching. (I'm not interested in coaching). Be very careful about getting conned or cheated.

There's a book containment thread that's currently a sticky. Read it to decide which book(s) you'd like to read. And there are monthly Omaha-8 articles in the 2+2 monthly on-line magazine.

You too. Good luck.

Buzz

What's the win rate at 4/8 full kill fix limit ? Is there any backing that said if you play A-2 hand to A-3 hands ? is a way to build a bankroll ? What's a good buy in 4/8 $40 * $60 $80 $100
Can this game be beat ?

Depends how good you are. Since the casinos make money from the game, there's a net loss. Logically, unless one or two players are feeding all the rest (and usually that's not the case), there must be more losers than winners in any poker game, including Omaha-8.

I don't understand the question. If you're asking whether or not you can make enough money to support yourself and a family over the long term by playing only A2** and A3** hands in a 4/8/kill game, no, I don't think so.

No, I don't think so. (How much are we talking about for a bankroll)? To me a bankroll is how much a professional poker player has in reserve to avoid going broke for long periods of bad luck. A pro pays for his living expenses from his bankroll and still keeps enough in reserve to avoid going broke if he has a sustained period of bad luck. I don't think you can make enough playing $4/$8/kill to do that over the long term.

I usually buy in for a rack ($100). I don't like to have a lot of money (or chips) in front of me. I can always buy more if my initial investment drops too low.

Yes. But it takes skill to do so.

Buzz

Thanks did you suggest a poker coach ? For live poker ? What do you suggest learning ?

Have you played cap game in la think the bike just started on Wednesday ? A cap game for learning ?

I'm not interested in coaching myself and I don't recommend poker coaches. We don't allow people to advertise coaching services in this forum. We also don't allow people to advertise for coaches in this forum. There's a 2+2 coaching forum where coaching ads and coaching requests may be posted. Beware of getting scammed.

Alternately, read the posts in this forum and if you think one of our posters makes good sense and would make a good coach for you, you can contact that poster via personal message and ask if he/she is interested in coaching you. It's up to you and your coach to arrange a fair price and the details of payment. 2+2 is not interested in being involved. Neither am I. Beware of getting scammed.

With a few, rare, possible exceptions, I think anyone clever enough to make a living playing poker is also clever enough to make a better living, and have a more enjoyable, more satisfying life, doing something else.

If you're clever enough to consistently make money playing poker, and if you insist on playing poker, then I think you'll fare better (be more successful) playing no-limit Texas hold 'em than playing Omaha-8. Therefore if you insist on trying to make poker your profession, I suggest learning how to play no-limit Texas hold 'em well.

If you want to learn the game of Omaha-8, I suggest first reading the books I've recommended in our book containment thread.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/44...thread-737104/

And read some of the wells linked in the first post in this thread.

Then practice this game at limits you can afford and read and post in this forum.

Buzz

Could someone put me in contact with a solid LO8 coach? Thank you!

This is from the forum FAQ (frequently asked questions):
Coaching requests and coaching offers belong in the coaching forum. Period.
Please use the coaching forum or contact individuals privately if you want coaching or private tutoring. Please keep coaching requests, recommendations, or offers out of the forum. In order to know whom to contact, go to the coaching forum or read posts in this forum to see who seems to know his/her stuff and who is easy for you to understand. Be very careful about getting scammed.

I'm not interested in private coaching, so please don't ask me. However, there are some players who post in this forum and who also coach privately, but it's up to you to discover for yourself who the good ones are. Be very careful about getting scammed by a poor coach.

Buzz

yo,

1. just to confirm what i know ( i'm going to have i guess loooots of questions though ), a hand with an A, for ex. like A5432 is a low, and for that instance, is also the lowest low you can have in Omaha Hi/Lo i believe or not.

2. and can a hand in Hi/Lo Om be both a Hi and Low hand at the same time of curse, for ex.

board is J75dch 4s 9c,
hand nr 1 is Q463ddcc
hand nr 2 QQ83

so in other words my bet is that Q463 has a high and wins a high pot with a straight 7-3, but also Q463 has a low 7 and is the same hand - 76543, of course

so i'm asking am i right or not

anybody

yes you're correct.

You are in the wrong forum though, try the omaha 8/better forum here: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/44/omaha-8/

Also, have a little patience, and for beginner, non-specific questions, the answers are probably out there already, try google.

yeah mate, cheers, cheers for giving me some knowledge about the forum especially of course ( hopefully moderator could redirect my post into omaha8/better forum there ),

though yeah i understand that of course for any kind of beginner, non-specific questions, answers are out there already, like for ex. google or whatever, though i kind of a believe that there's nothing like getting knowledge from the first hand of course, whatever it is, and so i ask and will ask those questions of course, because that's how i learn I think obviously, but yeah I apolodgise if that unsuits you though of course, cheers for reminding me or whatever for the google option though, i appreciate that mate

and so i just believe that just some questions need to be answered, and of course need to be Asked in the first place, IMHO not asking means not learning, especially the stupid or basic or beginner questions or whatever, if im not gonna ask, im not going to learn

hopefully for me, you got me though

Ace is the lowest card and also the highest card. So yes, 5432A is the lowest possible hand, and is called a "wheel" or a "bicycle."

There's a newb's thread for newb type questions. Please read that thread before you make more posts. I think many of your questions will probably have been already answered in our newb's thread.

Yes.

Yes. Hand number 1 wins both high and low with a seven high straight for high and 76543 for low.

Hand number 2 has a set of queens (three queens) for high and 87543 for low.

Welcome to the forum.

Buzz

I moved this here. Hopefully this will help the poster read the thread and get answers to other questions he'd otherwise be inclined to ask.

yes, 5432A is also called a "wheel" and/or a "bicycle", and I believe you of course 5432A it is lowest possible hand (in omaha hi/lo) as well

and I of course read the newb thread before i make any more post than i already have

cheers Buzz : )

board is J,7,5 4 9 though hahaha, cheers though : )

thanks (again) niss for moving my post ( i guess 'this' ) in here. It will definatelly help me read the thread and get the answers of course

cheers again, and nice to meet you Buzz, niss

Sorry about that, Buzz. Will stick to your subforum's guidelines from here on in.

A couple of questions pertaining to low-mid stakes LO8 on PS, say 1-2 to 5-10 (most of my play has been at 1-2, 2-4 for learning purposes though).

1. What is a reasonable winrate? My first 8k tracked hands for 2014 I was beating the game for 22BB/100 (lolheater), and since then I've probably played 4-6k more hands, losing about 150 bets I'd estimate.

2. Any idea on ballpark opening ranges for these games from different spots? I think I've been playing somewhat on the looser side of things and seem to be caught in tough spots far too often. There are lots of bad Russians, Brits, Greeks that play far too wide a range and I'd like to play a style that allows me to know where I'm at more often.

I fear that I've been overvaluing pretty-looking high hands, opening like AQJT one suit UTG, or QJT9 from the CO. I've also been doing things like auto-3betting a good (at least in my estimations) playable low hand on the BTN to a CO raise, I think this might be wrong for several reasons.

3. What kind of junk should I be defending in the BB to BTN raises? Feel like folding too much is a mistake, but I find myself calling down with marginal hands like K542 single-suited, JJTTr, QQ76, and so on, and find I'm in too rough a spot far too often. Calling a high hand HU on the BB vs. a spazzy aggressive fish on the BTN, only to fold top pair on a J54r flop seems like a mistake. (I likely am a fish too, but can also see that what some of these players are doing is just not great)

4. How much room for deception is there in LO8? Initially I started playing pretty FPSsy and doing well, but realized I was missing sure bets here and there to try and trap opponents. Seems like a game where betting equities is paramount to beat the game long-term, more than trying to trick opponents.

5. For the few decent/good players in those stakes, is there something I can do to have my pre flop play be less transparent? Feel like my ranges are too face-up sometimes, and unsure of how to go about masking this.

6. Finally, what is the single biggest mistake that players make in these stakes? I've probably been overvaluing a certain subset of hands, A45K, TJQKr, A33T, KK65-type hands, and calling down high hands in pots that aren't big enough to justify calls (at least I realized the pitfalls of 6789-type hands early on).

[edit] Offering your services for another game is much the same as advertising coaching services. Please don't. Buzz [end edit]