Hello everyone, ive been playing Limit omaha 8 6-max for a while. Ive been playing from 0.25/0.50c up to 3/6, all 6 handed. All the tables that i play are very loose tables. For example, my HUD says that the people that are in the tables are mostly like 50/30/17, 70/40/14, 45/12/3, 65/52/1. In a 6 handed play, i can found like 4 players with theese stats, i mean, is this even normal?

I am around 22/7/3 . I would like to know how can i deal with this kind of loose tables, because all the tables i play is like that. Ive found some success playing tight, and i believe i can be more aggresive something like 22/17 , something like that, but these tables are so mad loose that i dont know.

Anyway, i believe that with this kind of tables is not that hard to make money with consistency. But i would like to know some tips with how to deal with this kind of tables, which is almost all the tables i play.

Ive been playing tight, and almost all the players that has the vpip below 35 has a positive net winnings, so that says something. Anyway, as i said before, i wanna know some tips on how to handle these kind of tables with these players and how can exploit their game. Thanks in advance

First post in 3 years and 3 months, were you a long time reader/lurker here?

I'm not too sure on flo8 myself, but since you're looking to work on your preflop ranges here's a link to a hand rankings list specifically for 6-handed o8. It's not perfect, but it should definitely help when you review. The 3 handed one might be a bit more accurate for you though, since it assumes all hands go to showdown.

http://www.propokertools.com/orderin...axordering.txt

At the end of the day you are just going to have to show them a hand.

So really it's standard play vs loose players in all poker variants:

-Seldom bluff them (call is their favourite play)
-Play tight preflop
-Play very aggressively when you have value hands

It is more nuanced than that but I suppose that comes under the category of, as the late Buzz would say, "playing poker"

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Edit: by value hands i also mean nut draws.

One more thing to add:
-Raises in these games will not serve to force players out and should not be made for that reason

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Lol. Lucius, I have to say, most of the above is really poor advice. Some of it is the opposite.

I don't really play online, so maybe I am misunderstanding the stats you are posting. but assuming it is VPIP/PFR, the players don't sound like a typical "loose" Omaha player I would encounter in my games, whose stats would look more like 45/5. These player sound like maniacs.

If you really have a player raising 50% of his hands when limped to, I feel like the best advice is to make sure you have a seat with good position on him. This is going to be more important than how you play any of your hands.

Thanks everyone for the replies.

What do you suggest?

Yes, it is online and it is VPIP/PFR. A find also a lot of people with for example 50/5 , 55/20.

If you have position against a 50/5 player, you can just raise a ton preflop for value. You don't need to "tighten up", because even a relatively loosing raising range will be ahead of this sort of player's limping range. You'll be making money off very small preflop edges repeated over and over again. But because you are bloating the pot preflop, you need to make sure you realize that equity by being fairly strongly showdown bound. And if the opponent has any propensity to fold when they miss postflop, you should play very aggressively postflop as well, because inducing almost any equity to fold is almost always +EV.

If you don't have position on this sort of player, there may be instances in which you want to limp relatively strong hands if he's the type of player that will play almost everything for one bet, but tighten up considerably if forced to cold-call a raise.

As Nick said, seating position is important.
Tightening up more is often even worse. You'll just get run over.

Just to be clear, you should still be in there with most suited ace hands, 3 to a wheel with some suitedness, 23xx with at least a suit, 24xx double suited, four big cards, ds KKxx, JJ-KK with a couple of wheel cards, and be selective with all of them, when to play and when not to, according to position, action in front of you, players etc. These will typically be defended from the blinds or raised when folded to you in late position or limped behind in late position.

This is obviously a less tight range than full ring but these sorts of hands can be profitable

I am quite aware thank you, lol. But maybe you were only addressing the OP when quoting me.
Your earlier advice is still wrong though (imo). And some of this advice here is looser than what you were earlier advocating. Though that's fine.

22 vpip is too tight for 6max, its not clear where you are missing the most ev but you should be reviewing your whole call/fold/raising range

The other stats were also way too low

Its super important to understand that at high-level limit games (of any types) agression should be high on every street and overly passive players get run over - in o8 not only is it a slow bleed from missing values with non-premium hands (both overfolding and not pushing small edges agressively), when they do play bigger pots the range is so narrow that they can't maximize value anyway

Some of the stats you described were awful and beating those players should be easy but you should really post some checkup hands

Thank you very much!

Thanks, what would be a good vpip/pfr/3bet for 6 max limit omaha 8 then? something around 30/20/8? or what do you suggest?

30 vpip is much more reasonable
Optimal raising frequencies are fluid, we adjust to the player type and how often players are seeing a flop multiway
Generally, I don't recommend open-limping in 6max, even with low-orientated ax hands you might in full ring
If opponents are limping all the time the adjustment is generally to raise most hands you would open anyway and overlimp with more speculative holdings, this is unbalanced but the players we do it against will not be sophisticated enough to punish us for it

Ehh, I think it would be good if you try to be more specific with some of your guidelines going forward, several of them are far from clear-cut, especially when you mentioned them relative to defending the blinds

To be fair it's something that best comes from experience. To write about it wouldn't be befitting of an internet forum, rather more a book!

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lol better run lucius, seems like they're after you

I'm not going to bite

Aim to build and win big and bigger pots,....

So what some good things to have on your hud from 0.01/0.02 to the 0.10/0.25
Are you more looking at vpip and pfr more limp behind?
Any post pictures of your hud