i just want to say that there is no possible way i could be more embarassed about this forum (like any of you idiots care anyway). carry on.

How is a thread trashing players worse than constantly berating players at the table?

berating somebody at a table is a standard move born out of the negative emotions from losing a pot. most or all of the time a fish isn't going to care that somebody calls him a dumbass for sucking out (or more importantly, why), he is just pleased to win the pot (and maybe gloat some because it obviously bothered the "hero").

this, however, is intentional and unprovoked OBJECTIVE SLANDERING of players' games. it's completely different and if you can't see why...

berating players at the table isn't a great thing and is something that everybody should try to reduce or eliminate (i know i am), but it doesn't hurt the action in the games near as much as something like this.

you can give some fairly compelling/understandable reasons for berating certain players at the tables. there is no good reason to have a thread like this, away from the tables in public view.

Is this ErNci on another account?

Terrible Bluff,

If you are truly concerned about what people think about you on the tables you are in the wrong game. I had to learn the hard way it doesnt matter what people think about you or your game. You wont please everyone and you wont make friends with everyone either. The only thing that should matter is working on your poker game, surround yourself with good people in the poker community.

This has already been discussed in this thread, along with differing viewpoints that are no less legitimate than yours. Not sure why you are bringing it up again, and are doing so without acknowledging that there are competing, reasonable opinions.

IMO anyone who takes the time to seek out this forum is free to use the information gained here to improve their game. It's the reason why people come here, I think. And I'm not going to arbitrarily edit the content here because a few people don't like it or a few people who are barely making it fear that they won't be able to win anymore if other people that come here and post just like them has the same information they do.

We will edit and deal with open disrespect and trolling though.

Someone explain to me how talking about the bad play of regulars on a forum, which most of them do not visit is worse than tapping the glass by openly berating players on the tables (often weak players, who you want to encourage to stay in the games) ?

I think the above can be answered with this:

And thus, the guy is banned. Thank you. And if it wasn't you, thank you to whomever did it.

Zophar,

LOL. Well done.

I hope he wasnt banned for his opinion on this thread, that's a bit outta line :S.

I doubt very seriously that he was banned for the posts that we can see in this thread.

I have already expressed my opinion earlier in this thread, but would just like to highlight one thing after the recent isildur events.

I think if I posted a table of Player Id | VPIP | PFR from a database of all the player's I know (which is what is behind this thin vail) it would be, and correctly stamped on by the mods.

FTP recently banned their own pro Townsend for using other players' information, to play aganinst isildur to gain an edge (It is written in FTP's T&C to not levy information from other players hands which you have not played in or similar).

This thread itself, by identifying villains' names accross multiple hands with playing stats, promotes people to break many poker websites terms and conditions and I feel is not good etiquette, or in the spirit of 2p2 strategy forums (it is also against PS T&C and many others).

I'm the one who banned him. It is a permanent ban. He won't be back, at least with that name, (unless Mat or Ryan reinstates him, which is unlikely). The ban was not entirely on the basis of his post I'll quote below. There's a history.

There were a couple of private message interchanges between us back in June of 2009. At that time I warned him, "You need to stop insulting people or you will wind up banned."

And then he wrote the post I'm quoting below. I banned him permanently as a result of his previous warning and this post:
You can't come on this forum and trash the forum or the posters or the moderators.

If he had just written that he disagreed with our allowing a thread like this one, I would have read his post and taken no action. For what it's worth, I hate threads like this one and have made no secret of that fact. But after lengthy discussion, we decided to let this thread continue, and now don't deserve to be insulted as a result of that decision.

You're welcome to express a dissenting opinion. But he's out.

Buzz
iron mouse has spoken.

Personally, I think this thread is interesting, good to get some background on regs, dont see why anyone would have a prob with it.

posting stats other then yours is not right at all. it is not public information IMO

Do you have a problem with posting counterstrategies I might use against certain regs? I mean, I think it would be -EV for me to share because the idiot will adjust, maybe, but I choose to put out information I have obtained I think that's my business.

Stats are a different story. Or are they?

PS IMO this is the essence of the issues people have with this thread.

talk about a gray area lol...

can we get some cliffs on what we have learned in this thread??

lool its long

Things we have learned:



...

and that sums it up.

Where in this thread has anyone's stats been posted? What has been stated is personal opinions of players BY players. It is no different when someone is talking about how big a fish durr is for dumping money and playing lower levels which clearly is not the case or stating Moneymaker is busto. At the same time are we not exposing ourselves by posting hands of our wins and losses on the tables? Do we not give other players the needed info against us in these forums? So when you post hands about yourself here and people see that they can make an assestment of your play. And if that is the case how can you criticize others talking about your play when you post your own hands on here??? Can't have it both ways.......

If you do not understand the Townsend and isildur ban, please read this first. I dont know why you mention Money Maker or Durrr.

I think it is obvious that there is a significant difference between one hand with a villain, to posting the summary, and exploits of thousands against a villain.

For example, I couldnt find a players leak from 1 hand in the normal strategy forum, but here, I know it all. This is not dissimilar to sharing a PT database, and is against most online poker websites T&C's.

If you disagree, with the T&C's of a website, dont play there, or email them - fine. If you do not understand how this thread is different to other hand postings on here, I can not help you good sir.

As we know, we have our differences, so i'd prefer to keep this tame if you have any other problems with the above explanation.

You never answered my question.... where in this thread do you see stats of players? And would you not agree that all opinions expressed on this thread are of personal experience? Have you not posted several hands of your own play which in turn is open for fair game whether rightly congratulated or criticized? Anyone who post a hand on here... no matter how many it may be, gives off information about themselves. Could it not be possible that players who crticized your game did so on the pretense of the hands you posted?

And yet here you are in another post almost begging people to check you stats:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/54...anyone-675631/