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Old 08-19-2016, 08:28 PM   #101
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Re: Hero Value's well

Hi Hero Value,
It's awesome that you're doing a well, and congratulations on your WSOP.
I am a solid winner at PLO8 and Big O (big bet games) but I have had terrible results at O8.

You mentioned in a previous post some ideas:
1 - Don't bluff. Mostly joking, but also not. People generally just don't fold in it.
2 - Value betting thresholds go up a lot when it's limit rather than big bet.
3 - Expect to go to showdown far more. So pick hands to do so with appropriately.

Can you expand a little bit more on point 2 and point 3?

Keeping the numbers simple, say a $10/20 game
How would you go about playing hands like A239r on the button, you raise preflop and get 4 callers. Pot is $100. Flop 39Jr - how would you react if there is:
a bet and a call to you
a bet and a raise to you

and what if the flop is 3TJ rainbow instead?

Do you have any ideas of how to adjust from a big bet game to a fixed limit game, which appears to be your specialty?

Again, congrats on binking the WSOP twice - that's some serious achievement!
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Old 09-01-2016, 11:05 PM   #102
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Sorry for the delay, I'm back home from Barcelona now, and anyone is welcome to ask more questions if they wanted.
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Hi Hero Value,
It's awesome that you're doing a well, and congratulations on your WSOP.
I am a solid winner at PLO8 and Big O (big bet games) but I have had terrible results at O8.

You mentioned in a previous post some ideas:
1 - Don't bluff. Mostly joking, but also not. People generally just don't fold in it.
2 - Value betting thresholds go up a lot when it's limit rather than big bet.
3 - Expect to go to showdown far more. So pick hands to do so with appropriately.

Can you expand a little bit more on point 2 and point 3?
Thanks.
Well just like limit hold 'em, you only have one bet size, and that size is almost always smaller than any size you would bet in big bet games, particularly on the river.
So just from common sense, your value-betting range becomes wider, because you are betting smaller. Same principle with other sizings.

Because river bet sizes are smaller, you are going to get called more often in limit than NL. Also because it is a split pot game, you are going to go to showdown even more often.

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Do you have any ideas of how to adjust from a big bet game to a fixed limit game, which appears to be your specialty?

Again, congrats on binking the WSOP twice - that's some serious achievement!
Well yeah, as you asked above, the notes and advice that I gave earlier was for this specific question.
And thanks.
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Old 09-03-2016, 10:54 PM   #103
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Do you think music is sorta solved in some ways... kinda like NLHE is?
music stopped progressing when bach died. ever since it has branched off into more superficial avenues like "styles" and "genres" instead of just treating it like the science that it really is. there's a reason bach will always be the greatest. because he happened to be the greatest musician of all time that simultaneously happened to live during the only scientific era of music (baroque era). there will never be anything more divine in all of the liberal arts.

so to answer your question, no, and even if it were "solvable", which i don't even know what that means- we left the correct track in 1750.
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Old 09-04-2016, 12:19 AM   #104
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music stopped progressing when bach died. ever since it has branched off into more superficial avenues like "styles" and "genres" instead of just treating it like the science that it really is. there's a reason bach will always be the greatest. because he happened to be the greatest musician of all time that simultaneously happened to live during the only scientific era of music (baroque era). there will never be anything more divine in all of the liberal arts.

so to answer your question, no, and even if it were "solvable", which i don't even know what that means- we left the correct track in 1750.
Bach was a genius, no doubt. Why was the baroque era the only scientific era of music? I think there are worthwhile creations in music continuously, it just seems like they are fewer and farther between.
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Old 09-04-2016, 08:53 AM   #105
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of course you could add the renaissance and every era leading up to the baroque also. i just consider the baroque era a continuation of the renaissance, just on a higher level bc of the amount of discovery. but yeah, the classical era is when it starting moving away from true serious polyphony and into styles of subordinate parts and lead melody. it's still good dgmw, and still employed baroque elements and adhered to the rules laid out by the previous eras, but yeah.

don't wanna derail hv's well, so if you want to reply, just pm or w/e
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Old 09-04-2016, 09:40 AM   #106
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Steve, do you not consider genres of today new or different from Baroque-era music?
Like there are plenty of new tones and sounds that have been found since then. I'm not saying that they are advanced melodically, which is what I think you're referring to, or even possibly structurally, but all sorts of newer genres like Dubstep, have to be new/different since the 1700s' music.
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Old 09-04-2016, 11:59 AM   #107
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do you think im the worlds best o8 mtt player? or does that honor go to someone else?
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Old 09-04-2016, 10:31 PM   #108
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as far as all the microtonal stuff, it's been around for quite a while and as far as i know there's not really any exclusive theory for it/them. i highly doubt that mankind will ever see any high point in music that comes anywhere near what we've discovered and achieved through the 12-tone system.
yeah, i like gangsta rap, traditional country, death and black metal, etc, but these are all "genres". they are all reliant on image and are forced to work within that image.
the whole difference between baroque and now, is every era leading up to the baroque era was simply the most advanced era up until that given time. they weren't considered styles, but instead just different points of advancement, like any other science. then when the classical era hit, that was the first era to not bring music to a new high point, but instead just a new style. like instead of the music continuing to move upward, it just went to the side.
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Old 09-04-2016, 11:26 PM   #109
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do you think im the worlds best o8 mtt player? or does that honor go to someone else?
I do not .
Depends if you include all limit variants (both FL, NL and PL). Idk who is really, as there are pretty few who are very skilled in all variants.
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Old 09-09-2016, 01:39 AM   #110
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I'm in an aggressive $20/$40 cash game (live, 9-handed). A tight, conservative player opens for a raise preflop from UTG+1. I'm next to act with (AK)95. Can you make an argument for three-betting this hand, or is it a clear fold?

(I'm trying to understand the thought process of a player who did raise with this hand; I would've folded it.)

In that same game, what do you think is an optimal VPIP %?

Thanks, and congrats on your wins this summer.
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Old 10-11-2016, 12:19 AM   #111
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Sorry for the delay in updating this guys. Mostly due to 3 solid weeks of WCOOP.
You can still ask questions if you want.

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I'm in an aggressive $20/$40 cash game (live, 9-handed). A tight, conservative player opens for a raise preflop from UTG+1. I'm next to act with (AK)95. Can you make an argument for three-betting this hand, or is it a clear fold?

(I'm trying to understand the thought process of a player who did raise with this hand; I would've folded it.)

In that same game, what do you think is an optimal VPIP %?

Thanks, and congrats on your wins this summer.
Thanks.

It might be a bad 3-bet in this scenario, but things like if you feel that you could out-play the tight guy post-flop, then it can be ok. It isn't going to be either very good or very bad, but marginal.

I think optimal VPIP in every game depends on your ability and how comfortable you are playing mediocre hands. By your questions it sounds like you are somewhat new to it, so if you are newer to the game then it would be reasonable for your VPIP to be lower than others. Around 20% is reasonable 9-h.

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as far as all the microtonal stuff, it's been around for quite a while and as far as i know there's not really any exclusive theory for it/them. i highly doubt that mankind will ever see any high point in music that comes anywhere near what we've discovered and achieved through the 12-tone system.
yeah, i like gangsta rap, traditional country, death and black metal, etc, but these are all "genres". they are all reliant on image and are forced to work within that image.
the whole difference between baroque and now, is every era leading up to the baroque era was simply the most advanced era up until that given time. they weren't considered styles, but instead just different points of advancement, like any other science. then when the classical era hit, that was the first era to not bring music to a new high point, but instead just a new style. like instead of the music continuing to move upward, it just went to the side.
Yeah I understand what you're saying, the last part is an interesting point.
Though I still feel like I would call new genres "new", in that some of them are using sounds that were never really heard/used before. But yes that is actual new/different sound or tonality rather than new things melodically or structurally.
So I would still call things that are going to the side as "new", even though they are not actually advancing things. I understand your science analogy, in constantly and only trying to advance it, but I don't think that really fits with something as creative as music.
I don't think some things being confined to an image is relevant though. There's constantly music that goes outside the box of a genre or is a hybrid of two genres for example.

So I guess I do think we will see more new things or genres going "to the side", but yes maybe not anything new in that sense of becoming more advanced.
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Old 10-11-2016, 09:21 AM   #112
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It is really **** as a tournament player that I see your results from this year and just automatically assume luckbox :P
You could almost say he RanGodlike

1. why have u not taken all of bike's money yet?
2. favourite game live and online?
3. if invited would u join PS team pro?
4. how were u feeling and what were results like before winning WSOP compared to normal years?

long question:

I like the thread "adjustments when moving up in stakes". I haven't posted there yet but looking back on things, which moment or period of time do u feel was most crucial for your transition from brick all WSOP in 2014 to win in 2016? Would u say it was more to do with poker skills or more to do with being comfortable in the environment? If comfort level and environment, would u say u became more confident in your own ability, less scared by the opposition, or both? Maybe u just let go of expectation and it happened naturally when relaxed?

Congrats again on scores and for not being OMB
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Old 10-11-2016, 05:22 PM   #113
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You could almost say he RanGodlike

1. why have u not taken all of bike's money yet?
2. favourite game live and online?
3. if invited would u join PS team pro?
4. how were u feeling and what were results like before winning WSOP compared to normal years?

long question:

I like the thread "adjustments when moving up in stakes". I haven't posted there yet but looking back on things, which moment or period of time do u feel was most crucial for your transition from brick all WSOP in 2014 to win in 2016? Would u say it was more to do with poker skills or more to do with being comfortable in the environment? If comfort level and environment, would u say u became more confident in your own ability, less scared by the opposition, or both? Maybe u just let go of expectation and it happened naturally when relaxed?

Congrats again on scores and for not being OMB
1. We don't really play in the same games. I prefer playing FLO8 and mixed games in cash, which he doesn't really play.

2. Tough question. It depends if you mean individual game, or like favourite poker cash/tournament game to play.
If it's the second one, I would probably say that 10-game is my favourite, but that doesn't run much.
For individual game, I would probably say NL 2-7 SD online. Although live, there are some really fun crazy games that are in the mixed rotations, like Drawmaha, that I'm not that good at from lack of experience, but are so fun.

3. I've thought about this, and I think now my answer is probably no. My answer would likely have been yes in the past, but by now they've done so many disgusting things, that I wouldn't like to represent a company that does those things. I like morals.
Also, I still kind of like being under the radar and not known sometimes.
Though having said that I would probably snap accept if Galfond's new site asked me to be a pro .

4. This year, I felt really good. Like I was just coming off the back of a $2k SCOOP win, and 2 other $2k SCOOP FTs vs lots of the best in the world, so I felt good and ready to battle vs them again.
Last year, I don't think I felt that great, and probably felt similar to the year before it actually. Results then were ok, but not that amazing.

5. Yeah it's a combination of a few things. Yes confidence in your own ability is a large point, and knowing that you can compete with the best.
Btw I did win a bracelet in 2015, so just one year separates it. But one thing that you didn't mention for it is just luck/variance. In day 3 of the 2-7 event I ran very good to win. And in 2014 I ran really bad throughout the series to brick everything. It happens.
But this year particularly, yes. I totally agree with your last points. More relaxed and comfortable, more confident and less scared by others. Like in the past if I would have been at the same table as some WSOP celebs and maybe a little scared by them, I realised that I'm just actually better than them these days.
(It's kind of hard to answer this question without bragging )
I don't think it was exactly any one period or moment. Winning the bracelet in 2015 helped obv, and then after it I had a bunch of people come up to me and say how well I played in it etc, which was nice. And was the same this year, and a nice confidence builder.
But it was also more of just a gradual thing. Regularly winning and battling online vs good players. Knowing what to do in spots after putting in tons of hands and experience, and therefore being comfortable when facing those spots again.
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Old 05-03-2017, 08:05 PM   #114
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Hey Benny a bit late but I just read through the well. Awesome stuff.
I've just started to learn O8 and saw your wsop highlights on youtube.
I remember having dinner with you Adam, Stu and my brother in Vegas 2015 after you shipped a bracelet. I was just starting to play poker full-time then and it was cool meeting a bracelet winner. Anyway best of luck in the future I hope you pass Phil Hellmuth for most all time bracelets in the future. I'll be studying your posts so thanks in advance!
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Old 05-06-2017, 01:06 PM   #115
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Hey Benny a bit late but I just read through the well. Awesome stuff.
I've just started to learn O8 and saw your wsop highlights on youtube.
I remember having dinner with you Adam, Stu and my brother in Vegas 2015 after you shipped a bracelet. I was just starting to play poker full-time then and it was cool meeting a bracelet winner. Anyway best of luck in the future I hope you pass Phil Hellmuth for most all time bracelets in the future. I'll be studying your posts so thanks in advance!
Thanks, Ricky .
Gl with the learning.
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Old 05-23-2017, 12:56 AM   #116
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Hey, Benny, these days I am preparing for the LO8 game. When I look the back last year 1500 lo8, I find your stack was around 20bb(10 big bet) for a quite long time. At that time, what do you feeling? nervous or ask yourself to keep patience? How did 20bb impact your play generally?
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Old 05-23-2017, 01:50 AM   #117
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Hi. At what stage of the tournament was this? Iirc for that I was above that for most of it.
Either way, 10 big bets is still quite a lot of room in a limit tournament. So I definitely wasn't feeling nervous.
Sometimes you might feel frustrated or aggrieved about a hand that just happened to get you to that stack size, but you should just try to focus on the future, and in general it almost doesn't impact my play at all. Just being confident that you can make the best decisions at whatever your stack size is, with taking your stack size into consideration. And if you know that you can still continue to make the best decisions that you possibly can at all times, then it's all good.
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Old 05-24-2017, 12:43 AM   #118
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In early position Benny Glaser raises to 80,000. Scott Packer calls from the button, Brandon Shack-Harris calls from the big blind and it's three ways to the flop.

The flop brings out Jd5s5c. Harris checks, Glaser bets 40,000, Packer calls, and Harris calls.
The turn is the Kc. Harris checks, Glaser bets 80,000, Packer calls, Harris calls.
The river is the 6d. Harris checks. Glaser bets 80,000. Packer folds. Harris looks at Glaser long and hard and elects to fold.

Benny Glaser - 1,700,000 (21 BB)
Brandon Shack-Harris - 960,000 (12 BB)
Scott Packer - 500,000 (6 BB)
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Hey benny,do you still remember that hand? I believe it's a bluff right ?all the draws were missed. or A25x in your hand?(that's too idealist)
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Old 05-24-2017, 03:28 AM   #119
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Can't quite remember.Though I think I might have had KK here. Or at least I did in a similar spot.
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Old 05-24-2017, 05:20 PM   #120
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Kind of a strange hand. Pretty hard to make that turn call with a hand that can't call the river at least sometimes.
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Old 06-02-2017, 02:59 PM   #121
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What do you know I got Hero Value at my day 2 table in the $1500 O8 event today.

What's up bro? Good luck today! Don't worry I will defend your title for you
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Old 06-02-2017, 05:47 PM   #122
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Would love to get some wsop updates from the legend himself. A blog would be amazing buy probably too much to ask for. A kid can dream
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Old 06-02-2017, 05:53 PM   #123
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Haha .
Well yeah I'm in Day 2, with a bit below average, but still with a short at the title defence. Let's go.
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Old 06-27-2017, 09:37 AM   #124
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congrats to your big score again at the wsop.

i hope u aren┤t too disappointed that u ended up 2nd.
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Old 06-27-2017, 08:05 PM   #125
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Thanks man!
Yeah I'm pretty happy with the result all things considered.
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