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Old 07-27-2016, 04:17 PM   #51
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Thanks for doing this, Benny.
Congrats again on the amazing summer!

I haven't had the opportunity to play PLO8 in a live setting. How easy would you say it is for a first-time WSOP dealer to deal properly? I would imagine that occasionally one of them has trouble alculating a Pot Sized bet, reading the board and also splitting the chips.
Thanks, man!

Well it depends what the dealer has dealt before. (Like if they normally deal blackjack - which has been the case with 1 or 2 of the WSOP dealers that I've had - then it'll obviously be a complete nightmare. But I assume you don't mean that.)
If they have dealt PLO for example, then it shouldn't be too hard of an adjustment. Yes, counting the pot is a pretty big thing which they can often miscalculate, so that's a very difficult thing to adjust to and learn quickly if you have only dealt NLHE before.
The best dealers will already have counted the pot and be able instantly say what the amount is when a player says "pot", whether it's pre, or post.

Presumably most dealers will be familiar with chopping pots from NLHE games, but I still often see dealers really struggling with quartering (or sixthing) a pot, like they can also often get wrong which direction which part goes to. But players normally help with it.
Yes, as you'd expect, a new dealer can often struggle with reading lows, which they would be understandably unfamiliar with and which takes practice, but the players generally help the dealers with it. So as long as the players aren't dicks about it, and the dealer doesn't try to rush it and takes an extra few seconds to make sure that it's correct, then it's fine.

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For those reasons (because many hands are won preflop and sized of the pot isnt important), do you think NLO8 would be easier to deal?

Would you be willing to contact Jack Effel/WSOP guys in trying to add a NLO8 event? I've tried tweeting them a while back and was ignored.
Yes.

I can't really contact him, but I have a friend who is in contact with him. I did actually say to said friend to tell Jack about NLO8 just before this series, but I might tell him again.
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Old 07-27-2016, 05:14 PM   #52
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Stud, stud 8, or razz?
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Old 07-27-2016, 05:22 PM   #53
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Stud, stud 8, or razz?
Razz and Stud8 are close, and then >>>>>> Stud. I'm similarly skilled at Stud high, but just find it very tedious to play, even when fully focused on it.
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Old 07-27-2016, 09:34 PM   #54
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I haven't had the opportunity to play PLO8 in a live setting. How easy would you say it is for a first-time WSOP dealer to deal properly? I would imagine that occasionally one of them has trouble alculating a Pot Sized bet, reading the board and also splitting the chips.

For those reasons (because many hands are won preflop and sized of the pot isnt important), do you think NLO8 would be easier to deal?
I'm not trying to hijack HeroValue's well, but thought you might want another perspective.

WSOP dealers were substantially better this year compared to past years, as far as dealing PLO8. There were many instances of miscounting the pot, but usually these were relatively small differences and almost always the players as a group caught the mistake. The Venetian has the best dealers IMO.

I played my first ever NLO8 live MTT and it mostly played like a PLO8 MTT, with the exception of a few spots. That was at Planet Hollywood and a rookie dealer had major trouble with a hand that had a side pot. Chips were brought into the middle that shouldn't have been (I wasn't involved in hand, so wasn't paying that close of attention to pot, but that was consensus at table) and it took at least 10 minutes to finish splitting the pot (I don't think mistake was ever corrected, because no one was certain how many chips were brought in and from where). To me it was like a large field FR SNG.
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Old 07-27-2016, 09:54 PM   #55
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What do you most like to do that has nothing to do with poker?
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Old 07-27-2016, 11:31 PM   #56
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is Samatha Fox your dream girl?
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or are u more of a Susan Boyle fanboy
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Old 07-28-2016, 01:00 AM   #57
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Again, it's amazing you got 2 bracelets back to back on OMAHA O8. I knew you can do it after sitting with you consecutive 2days. You gave me the impression that you are very solid. but my question is: if you have pretty good starting hand like A23x ds, two way hand, and BB defend pretty wide and you know BB is a little nit. You miss the flop completely. will you continue bet on the flop? if BB call you, will you still bet on turn ?
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Old 07-28-2016, 09:42 AM   #58
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What do you most like to do that has nothing to do with poker?
Finally an easy question!
Definitely playing the guitar, playing/listening to music, and going to gigs.
Or just getting some drinks with good friends.
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or are u more of a Susan Boyle fanboy
All of the no.
Idk why you've gone with these, but very much neither.
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Old 07-28-2016, 09:51 AM   #59
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I'm not trying to hijack HeroValue's well, but thought you might want another perspective.

WSOP dealers were substantially better this year compared to past years, as far as dealing PLO8. There were many instances of miscounting the pot, but usually these were relatively small differences and almost always the players as a group caught the mistake. The Venetian has the best dealers IMO.
I have to disagree, I think the dealers were pretty much the same this year as last year. It does depend how good you run with dealers, and in what, for example the 10k dealers are generally better than the $1500 ones.
But even in the 10k O8, Ray D was in full on ****ing tilt mode and abusing the dealers often because of how many mistakes they were making. Even in limit in a 10k there was still lots of pretty basic mistakes, like trying to give a quarter to the wrong person etc.

EPT Dealers are actually the best in the world imo, and it's generally not close, if either of you ever consider going to one.
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Old 07-28-2016, 09:56 AM   #60
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Again, it's amazing you got 2 bracelets back to back on OMAHA O8. I knew you can do it after sitting with you consecutive 2days. You gave me the impression that you are very solid. but my question is: if you have pretty good starting hand like A23x ds, two way hand, and BB defend pretty wide and you know BB is a little nit. You miss the flop completely. will you continue bet on the flop? if BB call you, will you still bet on turn ?
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Well the question is pretty vague really. It obviously depends a lot on what your 4th card is and what the flop and/or turn is.
But if as you say, I miss the flop completely, and it hits the bbs range, then no, I'm fine with checking that back. The turn again depends a lot on the board texture.
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Old 07-28-2016, 10:18 AM   #61
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I have to disagree, I think the dealers were pretty much the same this year as last year. It does depend how good you run with dealers, and in what, for example the 10k dealers are generally better than the $1500 ones.
But even in the 10k O8, Ray D was in full on ****ing tilt mode and abusing the dealers often because of how many mistakes they were making. Even in limit in a 10k there was still lots of pretty basic mistakes, like trying to give a quarter to the wrong person etc.

EPT Dealers are actually the best in the world imo, and it's generally not close, if either of you ever consider going to one.
I'm sure it depends on how you run with dealers, and believe me I'm not promoting WSOP dealers as being particularly good overall.
I also have relatively low expectations, based on past years: If the dealer makes a correctable mistake (pot size, splitting pot, etc.), but listens to the players and quickly corrects the mistake, to me it's almost more of an annoyance than a mistake. It also matters how big the mistake is in terms of potential effect.

In 2013, near the bubble on day two, in one down this Asian gal burned and turned the next street 3 in separate hands while I was thinking (for a few seconds each time). I was sitting directly across from her. You'd think after making such a gaffe once and being called out on it, she would be extra careful. Nope, she was horrible dealer, and when that's the baseline, a few minor mistakes don't seem so prominent.

You have to remember that for WSOP a lot of these dealers are coming from across the country, working long hours with uncertain schedules (e.g., they may not know when their shift will end when they start), getting mediocre pay (esp. MTT dealers), and dealing a wide variety of games. So I can empathize with some trouble counting the pot on occasion, but they should not make the larger mistakes with any real experience.
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Old 07-28-2016, 12:05 PM   #62
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All of the no.
Idk why you've gone with these, but very much neither.
most british girls i could think off
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Old 07-28-2016, 02:00 PM   #63
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Did you play either of the dealer's choice events this year? Such events seem really fun and have lots of room for meta-strategy. Do you have anything to say in terms of game selection strategy for DC?
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Old 07-28-2016, 02:53 PM   #64
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Did you play either of the dealer's choice events this year? Such events seem really fun and have lots of room for meta-strategy. Do you have anything to say in terms of game selection strategy for DC?
Yes, I played both of them this year. I really like the events, and also really like the format. They are confirmed fun.

Generally I choose the game based on my table. I have lots of games that I could potentially choose from that I'd have an edge over my table for normally, so I tend to choose from those games which I think my table will be weakest at.
You could choose many different games, until you find one that your table is weakest at. Or until you see people making large mistakes in someone else's game choice.
For example in the $10k I chose A-5 TD a fair bit, because my tables weren't very familiar with it, and were generally competent in the standard 8-game games. Then sometimes I'd mix it up with LHE or LO8 when i saw people making basic mistakes in them.
But in the $1500 I chose Badacey/Badeucey a fair bit, as well as Stud hi/lo no qualifier. Because lots of people in that field were very unfamiliar with those games (and I'm pretty good at them). As those are games that are generally played more at higher stakes or only in Vegas.

The other thing that dictates what game I choose is my stack size (and also others' stacks to some degree).

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Any aha moment(s) in 08?

Funniest/craziest poker stories to happen to you or a friend?
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Old 07-30-2016, 04:33 PM   #66
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What is the worst play you saw someone do in a non-NLHE tournament this summer at the WSOP? Ever?
For ever, there are just waaayyy too many to name lol. The highest concentration of hilarity was definitely when I used to grind tons of HU LHE SnGs, and I saw countless completely random button mashings, mostly from people who seemingly had just misclick registered it accidentally.
Also sometimes for 2-7 HU SnGs when people misclick regged was always entertaining.

As for this WSOP, there were quite a few "what the **** did I just witness"-type moments. Mostly in the 3 Stud games. Lots of terrible small things.
I can't really think of anything great right now that stands out unfortunately. (and I'd rather not exactly name/shame people.)
Maybe I'll add to this later if I think of anything good.

The only 2 big Omaha hands that I can think of right now, maybe because they were both similarly brutal and huge, one was in PLO8 where UTG opened, then called a 3bet from the button. Then UTG min check-raised a 864r flop, then bet ~half pot on 3 turn, then tank-called off a big raise-shove. With AK65.
River was a 2 to bust Zinno's A2xx, GG. (UTG also somehow went deep in 2 PLO8 events this summer.)
The other was in the $50k PPC in PLO on day 2. I opened AKxx, the bb defends. I c-bet A5Ar flop and bet 10 turn, he check-calls flop and then check-raises full pot on the turn. I call, and then check-check on the 2 river. He has 34610.

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If you moderated this forum, what would you do differently?

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Old 07-31-2016, 07:12 PM   #68
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Haha, tough question. I feel like I could probably just be diplomatic, and say "nothing" .
But it would just be 1 or 2 small things, like just trying to keep strategy threads cleaner occasionally, about content and not to turn into dick-swinging/insults.
And maybe have a monthly LC thread for example, to promote some discussions.
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Congrats! Always loved your posts -- great strategy and very polite.

What does your open-limp range look like?
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Any aha moment(s) in 08?
Yeah I probably had a few minor ones along the way. Just slightly different ways to think about the game. Don't really think there was any one moment that was particularly major or drastic though.
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Funniest/craziest poker stories to happen to you or a friend?
Yeah I'm sure there are quite a few. I'll add some when I think of some soon.
My friend just told me a sick story. Where his 5% swap for $500, turned into something like $400k.
He had a 5% (I think it was 5%) swap with someone in a $10k WSOP event, and his swap ended up coming 2nd in it. He then used that amount of money earned from the swap to buy a % of that same friend in the $50k PPC that year, who also ended up coming 2nd in that, for almost a million $.
Because of that money/success, my friend decided to stay a bit extra in Vegas and play another 10k.
He ended up winning the $10k . Which all came about from that original swap.
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Congrats! Always loved your posts -- great strategy and very polite.

What does your open-limp range look like?
Thanks, man! Appreciated

Depends on which game and which spot. Like my limp ranges in PLO8, NLO8 and FLO8 are different, and in cash and mtts, and in 9-h or 6-h. In some spots I don't have a limp range at all.
I try to mix and balance it up some though if I do, and if I'm playing vs competent people. But it's more just in 9-handed tournaments.
N/PLO8 mtts it depends a lot on stack size and maneuverability, and other's stack sizes.
In N/PLO8 I sometimes limp some Aces, sometimes A234ds type hands, or like 9TJQds. And things like the latter 2 in FLO8, but I try and split it up if I do.
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Haha, tough question. I feel like I could probably just be diplomatic, and say "nothing" .
I actually thought you would just be diplomatic, but I appreciate your suggestions.

I knew if you answered that tough question, part of your answer would be a tough one for me to implement.

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But it would just be 1 or 2 small things, like just trying to keep strategy threads cleaner occasionally, about content and not to turn into dick-swinging/insults.
Good idea. (Not easy to do).

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And maybe have a monthly LC thread for example, to promote some discussions.
OK and this one is easy to implement.

Thanks.

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Old 08-01-2016, 01:02 PM   #73
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I'm surprised you say the biggest you've played is 75/150.

Around wsop time, 150/300 - 400/800 mix games are common, and that's not even considering the bigger games in Bobby/Ivey's room. From what I've heard, they all have massive whales and are very profitable.

Considering your cashes, I'd imagine you have enough roll to play some of those games, or get staked.

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The only 2 big Omaha hands that I can think of right now, maybe because they were both similarly brutal and huge, one was in PLO8 where UTG opened, then called a 3bet from the button. Then UTG min check-raised a 864r flop, then bet ~half pot on 3 turn, then tank-called off a big raise-shove. With AK65.
River was a 2 to bust Zinno's A2xx, GG. (UTG also somehow went deep in 2 PLO8 events this summer.)
haha nice...I don't think in the 2 years playing the 1500 I saw anything like this but it was definitely one of those where you are thinking internally "wtf did he just do" type of moments.

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