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Fixed Limit 1.00/2.00 hand analysis #2  (Second Low) Fixed Limit 1.00/2.00 hand analysis #2  (Second Low)

08-04-2017 , 08:38 PM
No read on button, MP is a LAG..

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $1/$2 Hi/Lo (6 max) - Omaha Hi/Lo - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (CO): 17.2 BB
BTN: 15.6 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)
SB: 4.44 BB (VPIP: 31.25, PFR: 9.38, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 32)
BB: 19.6 BB (VPIP: 48.57, PFR: 8.57, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 35)
UTG: 24.39 BB (VPIP: 48.60, PFR: 10.28, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 108)
MP: 34.83 BB (VPIP: 64.10, PFR: 37.61, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 120)

SB posts SB 0.25 BB, BB posts BB 0.5 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 0.75 BB) Hero has T 7 3 A

fold, MP raises to 1 BB, Hero calls 1 BB, BTN raises to 1.5 BB, fold, fold, MP calls 0.5 BB, Hero calls 0.5 BB

Flop: (5.25 BB, 3 players) K 6 8
MP bets 0.5 BB, Hero calls 0.5 BB, BTN raises to 1 BB, MP calls 0.5 BB, Hero calls 0.5 BB

Turn: (8.25 BB, 3 players) 4
MP bets 1 BB, Hero calls 1 BB, BTN calls 1 BB

River: (11.25 BB, 3 players) K

Is A3 worth calling for half the pot? I am beginning to wonder if folding on the turn, or river, is +EV.
Fixed Limit 1.00/2.00 hand analysis #2  (Second Low) Quote
08-04-2017 , 09:55 PM
Ok pre flop. Flop is an easy fold. Drawing for (maybe) half the pot.

Just my 2 cents.


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08-04-2017 , 11:06 PM
this is a good hand to post. really common spot that feels kinda weird, can go either way etc.

anyway i'm not folding this hand preflop to a LAG in a 6m game. flop prob i do same here. but once MP leads turn pretty sure you gotta eject. you have one guy who just made something he likes in front of you and a guy who really liked this flop behind you.

if you call, then best case is they don't raise and sandwich you, and then you river a 2, or they had A4, or you river 9 and they don't have clubs. that's just really too much to ask.

as played you can't get to this river and fold 2nd nut low for one more bet. but i also don't see you being very good here very often. regardless, that's not where the issue is, it's the stuff before that.
Fixed Limit 1.00/2.00 hand analysis #2  (Second Low) Quote
08-04-2017 , 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by kisada
this is a good hand to post. really common spot that feels kinda weird, can go either way etc.

anyway i'm not folding this hand preflop to a LAG in a 6m game. flop prob i do same here. but once MP leads turn pretty sure you gotta eject. you have one guy who just made something he likes in front of you and a guy who really liked this flop behind you.

if you call, then best case is they don't raise and sandwich you, and then you river a 2, or they had A4, or you river 9 and they don't have clubs. that's just really too much to ask.

as played you can't get to this river and fold 2nd nut low for one more bet. but i also don't see you being very good here very often. regardless, that's not where the issue is, it's the stuff before that.


I got sandwiched on the river and had to call twice.

Ugh.


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Fixed Limit 1.00/2.00 hand analysis #2  (Second Low) Quote
08-05-2017 , 04:13 AM
yup. that's why i said it's a good hand to post. this kind of thing happens all the time. it's not as noticeable because most of the time you're on the nut low end jamming a lock 3-way, only for one of the guys to muck cards unknown at the river.

but most of the time, that A3 is the one that mucked. and the whole time he was praying you have A3 also, or he made up some story where the two other players are just going ham raising their nut flush and second nut flush.

i'm not saying there aren't times where you have to grit your teeth and do the same. but this one is really up front and you can get away cleanly.

also, button 3-bet preflop and raised flop. that should scream nut draws of some sort. so when the turn comes and button's still behind you, you need to begin anticipating what happens when the action gets back to him.

Last edited by kisada; 08-05-2017 at 04:23 AM.
Fixed Limit 1.00/2.00 hand analysis #2  (Second Low) Quote
08-05-2017 , 06:28 AM
Well if you're going to call the turn you have to call the river too. I think folding the turn is fine though.
Fixed Limit 1.00/2.00 hand analysis #2  (Second Low) Quote
08-05-2017 , 03:11 PM
I think the flop is a fold here, but I'm hoping an expert can chime in and provide a detailed analysis. Thanx Robert for posting interesting hands

I miss Buzz.
Fixed Limit 1.00/2.00 hand analysis #2  (Second Low) Quote
08-05-2017 , 05:42 PM
Three outs to the nut high and four outs to the nut low make it difficult for me to see just folding on the flop getting 11-to-1. It's a frustrating spot though.
Fixed Limit 1.00/2.00 hand analysis #2  (Second Low) Quote
08-06-2017 , 12:29 AM
I think calling the flop is fine. Its a slightly harder decision because we may get raised. Hero should strongly consider raising pre-flop vs opponent described.
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08-07-2017 , 09:37 AM
Thanks for the help everyone.

Second low, multiway....

Definitely raise pre. I was suffering from turtle weak-tight during these sessions. Have to raise and have a chance at going heads up with villain. OOP, I need as few opponents in short hand as possible. And the button is unknown...

Flop call is fine, or iso raise might be fine also. Not folding here.

Turn. Flush hit we did not have, and we have only a river deuce to maybe improve to a low only nut, a river straight is likely unprofitable.

Three ways, I am basically calling 1 bet to maybe win 5 bets, if I hit a deuce, avoid a 3, or if my low is good.

I think I just want to have SOME chance at a scoop river. Like if a deuce would make a wheel, and the flush was not there yet.

This particular turn, was not what I wanted and with little scoop potential three ways, I am going to fold the turn.


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08-08-2017 , 08:28 AM
raise pre, call flop(never a fold) fold turn
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