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Do we check raise get it in on this flop? Do we check raise get it in on this flop?

12-03-2016 , 10:01 AM
iPoker - $4 PL Hi/Lo (6 max) - Omaha Hi/Lo - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $345.09 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 66.67, Hands: 6)
Hero (SB): $572.74
BB: $553.68 (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
UTG: $693.81 (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
CO: $422.52 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)

Hero posts SB $2.00, BB posts BB $4.00

Pre Flop: (pot: $6.00) Hero has 8 A 2 5

fold, fold, BTN raises to $14.00, Hero calls $12.00, BB calls $10.00

Flop: ($42.00, 3 players) 2 8 K
Hero checks, BB checks, BTN bets $28.00, [color=red]
Do we check raise get it in on this flop? Quote
12-03-2016 , 10:34 AM
No. You're way to deep.

Check-call is your only real option here.
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12-03-2016 , 01:22 PM
The effective SPR here is roughly 330/42 = 8

I agree with STEK that it is too deep but it's a low-mid SPR so forgetting your actual hand it is only bad and not terrible to GII

With your actual hand I would seriously consider fold the flop never mind GII. OK so villain has raised pre and made a standard CBet OTF, what is his range? It wouldn't be a shock to see him have A 4 5 K here or any 4 wheel cards

We have the A-d blocker but what cards give us security on turn/river? It feels as if villain will bet again and the only cards I would like on turn are full house or a 3. Even our best outs may not be good enough so that's why I would let it go
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12-03-2016 , 03:11 PM
if BB was not in the hand the c/r would seem reasonable to me. if you had the short effective stack the c/r i suppose would seem reasonable to me. However given the actual circumstances of the hand c/r doesn't seem like the best option.



your flop raise, if pot-sized, will be to $126 which leaves $205 effective behind w/BTN
if we remove BB, that is assume that he was check/folding to any action,
then
-if BTN folds to the raise you profit $70(minus rake) from the raise
-if BTN shoves and you call, you will have initiated/contributed $331 on the flop into a $703 pot (removed $3 for rake). you need greater than 47.1% equity for the play to be +EV and you need greater then 57.1% equity for the c/r/call all-in to be better then when he folds to your c/r.

* if BTN assumes you are calling the 3 bet(shove) 100% ott, then BTN requires greater then 43.1% equity to make a +EV shove, however he has the option not to shove.
he can call the $98 making a $291 pot(removed $3 rake) and have $205 behind.
- if you subsequently fold then you lose $126 on the c/r
- if BTN subsequently folds then you profit $168(minus rake) on the c/r


but BB is still to act,
BB can pot raise to $448, leaving $105 eff. behind.
then
-folding to this BB's 3bet is a lose of $126
-to get it in vs BB with BTN folding to the action, you will have contributed $559 on the flop (raised $126, called $322, re-raised the remaining $91) into a $1145 pot(removed $3), which requires greater then 48.7% equity to be +EV.

-to get it in vs. BB and BTN. (BB raises, btn calls all-in, and you reraise all-in, BB calls) you are contributing $331 to a $1032 3way main pot, and $208 to a $416 hu sidepot.
to be +EV you need greater than 32.1% 3way equity and greater than 50% hu equity or if less 3 way then greater hu or vice/versa.

BB can also call your raise,
where BTN can call and then there are turn decisions,
or where BTN shoves over BB's call where you are left 3bet shoving or leaving the turn river open to a HU side pot.
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12-03-2016 , 09:09 PM
Edit: whoops misread the hand, xr is spewy, xc looks good especially since we can sometimes rep diamonds to fold better hands
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