Bring back the $215 Weeklys thread
07-29-2016
, 02:25 AM
07-29-2016
, 12:34 PM
07-29-2016
, 09:27 PM
Heh... well, it's worth a try. I provided some actual data that I quickly compiled out of curiosity. I don't expect a FR NLO8 anytime soon or perhaps ever again, but we could be pleasantly surprised with a FR PLO8 event as soon as this WCOOP:
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After reading your post, I spent about an hour taking an in-depth second (or third, fourth, fifth... pick one) look specifically at Pot Limit Omaha Hi/Lo in both WCOOP and SCOOP over the past six years. In looking at the data, I noticed two things which stand out quite starkly:
As a bit of a control, I took a look at how FLO/8 did in WCOOP over the years. From 2013 to 2014, it dropped by 7.5% (while not changing format at all)... while PLO/8 dropped 19.8% when the format changed from 9-Max to 6-Max. This seems significant.
From my perspective, I think that it's pretty clear that we need to look at changing the PL Omaha Hi/Lo Event to 9-Max, or perhaps to 8-Max... and I'll be bringing this up in our scheduling meeting next week as we look toward finalizing the schedule. Thank you very much for bringing this up.
- Participation in PL Omaha Hi/Lo declined significantly from 2009 to 2010, then (corrected for Black Friday decline which affected everything) leveled off from 2011 to 2013 - even rising a bit.
- Participation in 2014 (when the $320 was changed to 6-Max) dropped sharply, then dropped again in 2015. A similar, though much less severe drop was seen in SCOOP in 2016 when the change to 6-Max was made.
As a bit of a control, I took a look at how FLO/8 did in WCOOP over the years. From 2013 to 2014, it dropped by 7.5% (while not changing format at all)... while PLO/8 dropped 19.8% when the format changed from 9-Max to 6-Max. This seems significant.
From my perspective, I think that it's pretty clear that we need to look at changing the PL Omaha Hi/Lo Event to 9-Max, or perhaps to 8-Max... and I'll be bringing this up in our scheduling meeting next week as we look toward finalizing the schedule. Thank you very much for bringing this up.
07-29-2016
, 09:54 PM
However, that's just for WCOOP and is from Bryan. From everything I've seen over the last 1-2 years, Bryan is much better at taking on board and responding to (and implementing) feedback and criticisms than Luke is.
07-29-2016
, 10:21 PM
It sounds like Stars has butchered the O8 schedule (removed weeklies, moved to KOs, rake for rebuys/add-ons, FR SNGs mostly replaced by Spin & Gos and Hypers, etc.). All they really needed to do (from 1.5 years ago, last time I played) was add more MTTs and make some reasonable GTDs and I think it would be close to ideal given the changed online poker environment. Instead they implemented a lot of short-sighted tactics to grab more money and make the games less appealing to their audience.
Have they abandoned Courchevel yet? I'm guessing they haven't done anything to promote the popularity of the game.