My discussion was regarding a low turn that did not pair or flush the board. In that instance hero should not raise turn.


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Everyone says live players are weird. I think its because they wait 2 minutes for the cards to be shuffled and dealt? Sounds like an eternity...


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Hmm. Can you expand on this, this sort of meta strat is new to me. Can you explain it a little more?

Thanks!




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this is pretty much all implied odds...villain has it we don't

its very very easy for any villain to fold all hands that lose to AA and call with all hands rhat beat it, yet we are usually priced in to call, so thats why you should raise a low turn or maybe even ANY turn but one that pairs the board or a diamond

if a diamond comes he probably checks when he doesnt have it and bets when he does so we can ususlly fold a diamond but we can raise any other card and esp should be raising low draws. we can also just call on low diamonds since we can bluff that at river

Hand is a fine call down. With certain dynamics raising is a possibility. In a higher stakes agro game I would be raising the flop and mostly showing down just to discourage the bb from stealing too much.

And I read a flop donk as weaker here than a chk raise barrel off range. Be interesting to see how a bb defense range against a cutoff open range who is favored. I see mostly bare not nut diamonds Kx and other crap that kinda wants to continue like str8 draws Ajt type stuff lead here, I do it myself against certain player types. I expect big draws and Kings up plus to just chk raise and bet down most boards. Still like calling down against most.

I have thought more about your advice here. I need to start thinking about the betting on the next two streets versus flop texture. This will vary with the players at the small stakes that I play.

So when we raise any blank turn, do we expect solid players to fold? I don't see villain folding on a blank turn, and especially not folding on a low turn.

So we are at river, I assume we will either call or checkback any non diamond river?

If we call river after raising turn we are putting in a third BB but you said our goal should be 2 bets invested.

If reasonable villain bets any river card, do we fold? Only a few players at my stakes would bet out a missed fd as a bluff.

I know you explained this part, as he will check diamond river if he does not have it.

Pretty much any bet from villain after we raise turn is hard to call on the river, in all of the different scenarios. I just hate to fold river just because a low hit and I am playing for half, after raising a low turn card.




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like the poster above you said, his donking range is weaker than his cr range, so we are good a lot on the flop imo or we arent in terrible shape

its very important to raise your backdoor low draws and bet when checked to, you absolutely cant undervalue any low vs a bb defend esp on this texture

if a broadway card comes in we have a lot of bluff equity and backdoor outs so we can raise for value on a low card and raise as a bluff on high cards

this is going to be a two big bet game from here on where we pay off twice a lot and have reverse implied odds so anytime we can win one without showdown is good and win 2 with showdown is great or capture the low and make him call down a negative freeroll

so when we bet two streets here we are never in bad shape...its a loss for overall when he shows up with KQ at showdown, and you've only put one big bet in, so we are raising every turn that doesnt pair or is a diamond except the 8 of course...we have tofold to an 8 or check it back

betting all turns when checked to except the ones above

yes, all of this...on this texture its very hard for him to have a hand can bet the river for value, so folding will become an option when we raise the turn and he bets one of our bad cards

that point at river we fold...so if he calls a turn raise then leads a 6 its an easy fold vs the vast majority of villains

Ok thank you I am better understanding these wawb situations better.


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