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Old 05-18-2017, 09:55 PM   #1
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6/2-4 Venetian $600 buyin $150K guarantee LO8 tourney

I'm thinking of playing in this tourney instead of the $1,500 WSOP event which will run from 6/1 - 6/3.

The thinking is that the best players will be gunning for the bracelet and the weaker players who bust out of the WSOP event early will migrate over to the Venetian. $600 is also easier on the bankroll.

Anyone else planning on playing in this event?
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Old 05-19-2017, 03:48 AM   #2
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I'm thinking of playing in this tourney instead of the $1,500 WSOP event which will run from 6/1 - 6/3.

The thinking is that the best players will be gunning for the bracelet and the weaker players who bust out of the WSOP event early will migrate over to the Venetian. $600 is also easier on the bankroll.

Anyone else planning on playing in this event?
If you can, I'd definitely play both.
I played it 2 years ago, and it was soft, But the WSOP $1500 is even better value.
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Old 05-19-2017, 05:46 AM   #3
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Re: 6/2-4 Venetian $600 buyin $150K guarantee LO8 tourney

Wasn't aware of this, cool to hear about it

Any other non wsop omaha or mix tournies worth looking at?
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Old 05-19-2017, 05:48 AM   #4
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If you can, I'd definitely play both.
I played it 2 years ago, and it was soft, But the WSOP $1500 is even better value.
In the ideal scenario, you can't play both

I'm curious as to your perspective of the WSOP event as better value. Is that because of lower rake, longer structure or softer competition? I've never played a multi-day Omaha tournament so I'm interested to learn. All insights appreciated.
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Old 05-19-2017, 10:22 AM   #5
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Re: 6/2-4 Venetian $600 buyin $150K guarantee LO8 tourney

$1500 for a chance at 250k and gold bracelet or $600 for a chance at 40k. If you can swing it play WSOP. And unless you make final table you can still play Venetian if you bust out. You can late reg up til 9:30 on Saturday. Great second tournament option as I'm sure a bunch of the WSOP bust outs would play it, myself included. I'm sure you'll get a mix of good and bad players in both. I've seen a ton of questionable plays at WSOP. Haven't played Venetian yet.
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Old 05-19-2017, 02:13 PM   #6
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Re: 6/2-4 Venetian $600 buyin $150K guarantee LO8 tourney

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In the ideal scenario, you can't play both

I'm curious as to your perspective of the WSOP event as better value. Is that because of lower rake, longer structure or softer competition? I've never played a multi-day Omaha tournament so I'm interested to learn. All insights appreciated.
Yes, you can.
What Patrick said. Plus some softer competition generally.
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Wasn't aware of this, cool to hear about it

Any other non wsop omaha or mix tournies worth looking at?
I'm surprised that you don't know about these. There's loads of stuff around. Planet Hollywood has things like PHamous series with Dealer's Choice tournaments. Golden Nugget/Binions has lots of HORSE and O8 stuff going throughout the series.
Look up Kenny Hallaert/Spacey_FCB's Vegas spreadsheet, and there is a section for non-hold 'em stuff, and shows all the mixed stuff from various casinos.
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Old 05-19-2017, 02:30 PM   #7
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I haven't played the series before and was originally thinking I would mainly play cash, its only in the last 2 weeks I started looking into some tournaments that could make sense

Thanks
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Old 05-20-2017, 09:23 AM   #8
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Look up Kenny Hallaert/Spacey_FCB's Vegas spreadsheet, and there is a section for non-hold 'em stuff, and shows all the mixed stuff from various casinos.
Here is the thread with that schedule:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/65/mttc-live/2017-las-vegas-summer-poker-tournament-schedule-1644058/
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Old 05-21-2017, 09:36 AM   #9
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rake is super high 518+82 ill still probably give in but i am upset at the rake they are charging
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Old 05-21-2017, 12:19 PM   #10
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I still feel pretty torn about which o8 tournament would be better for me to play assuming I can play only 1. WSOP is less rake and field is probably slightly weaker but 7500 starting chips makes me cringe. By my calculations the venetian (20K starting chips) should give at least 90 more minutes of play if the cards don't go my way early, even accounting for the faster & steeper structure. The flexibility to play more aggro/Laggish styles for longer is signifigant, I think it should result in me cashing more often.

Similarly some of the Binion 365s have decent looking structures but 17.8% rake.
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Old 05-21-2017, 12:43 PM   #11
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Re: 6/2-4 Venetian $600 buyin $150K guarantee LO8 tourney

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I still feel pretty torn about which o8 tournament would be better for me to play assuming I can play only 1. WSOP is less rake and field is probably slightly weaker but 7500 starting chips makes me cringe. By my calculations the venetian (20K starting chips) should give at least 90 more minutes of play if the cards don't go my way early, even accounting for the faster & steeper structure. The flexibility to play more aggro/Laggish styles for longer is signifigant, I think it should result in me cashing more often.

Similarly some of the Binion 365s have decent looking structures but 17.8% rake.
Play WSOP, it's hour levels and it's worth it just for the experience. BTW, DSE $600 O8 has 15k starting stack. WSOP has better structure and less rake. It's a no-brainer, really. Structures are generally: WSOP > DSE, PH > Binions > Aria, GN
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Old 05-21-2017, 02:04 PM   #12
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I still feel pretty torn about which o8 tournament would be better for me to play assuming I can play only 1. WSOP is less rake and field is probably slightly weaker but 7500 starting chips makes me cringe. By my calculations the venetian (20K starting chips) should give at least 90 more minutes of play if the cards don't go my way early, even accounting for the faster & steeper structure. The flexibility to play more aggro/Laggish styles for longer is signifigant, I think it should result in me cashing more often.

Similarly some of the Binion 365s have decent looking structures but 17.8% rake.
The WSOP event has a much better structure. Having a very deep starting stack is really bad for limit tournaments. It just makes the early levels meaningless and often forces the tournament to skip levels later in the tournament.

And this is exactly what the Venetian tournament does. The levels are much shorter and the 250/500 and 2.5k/5k levels are skipped. In exchange, you start with 75 big bets, which is too many.

For no-limit events, there are plusses and minus to the structure of the WSOP versus Venetian (and other places). But for limit tournaments, the WSOP at least gets it mostly right, while almost everywhere else runs them terribly.
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Old 05-21-2017, 04:47 PM   #13
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rake is super high 518+82 ill still probably give in but i am upset at the rake they are charging
Venetian rake is 82 / 600 = 13.67%
WSOP rake is 150/1500 = 10%

When you consider that Venetian is administering a mult-iday day event with 2.5 players per dollar more than WSOP, their rake doesn't look outrageous.

If the $1,500 is not an obstacle, the WSOP is a better value.
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Old 05-21-2017, 08:15 PM   #14
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Re: 6/2-4 Venetian $600 buyin $150K guarantee LO8 tourney

Thanks for the feedback everyone, its very helpful

Also dse stands for?
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Old 05-21-2017, 09:24 PM   #15
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Btw, I don't feel like starting a staking thread but if anyone is interested in buying some of my action in some of these smaller omaha events early june shoot me a pm. I'll sell up to 50% no mu.
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Old 05-22-2017, 01:31 AM   #16
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Venetian... DeepStack Extravaganza
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Old 05-26-2017, 11:54 AM   #17
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Wasn't aware of this, cool to hear about it

Any other non wsop omaha or mix tournies worth looking at?
venetian has a plo/plo8/big o $1100 on 7/5. i plan on playing it.
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