Game is 5-5 Big O, 200-3000 buy in. 8 handed (9 with the a deal out, boo).

Hero is very tight pre and probably a bit more aggressive than usual today.

Villain 1: Old man, local legend. He is tight solid and has great reads (5K eff).
Villain 2: Doesn't understand ranges or hand strength, button clicker (200)..

Hero in CO with KQJT9

Pre: V2 (UTG) raises to 20, 1 call in MP, Hero raises to 90, V1 (BTN) cold calls, V2 calls, MP calls.

Flop (370) : K93
V2 All-in 110, MP folds. Hero..

V1's cold calling range is like 12-15% here.

More relevant info:
is A2 heavy (he gets that part), MP is very wide, V1 would only 4b me with AA2 and certainly not all of them. And I am not sure he would ever 4b me here at this depth. Maybe just AA23.

I'd call and reevaluate.

I think that he folds the same hands if we flat or if we raise. And I think he raises the same hands regardless if we call or raise.

What I'm trying to say is I don't know what we achieve by raising. The only hands he might fold are some baby flush draws. Are we sure he isn't folding them regardless? I now it's a small bet and he's getting great odds but still.

I'd hate to raise and see him ship. Do we call if that happens? We can assume we're behind in that case.

Note: I play stakes exactly 100 times lower so my answer might be completely off.

I actually think he can call this baby all-in with a wide range of weak combo draws with backdoors that wouldn't be able to call if you jam, he's closing the action getting great odds in a protected pot, with decent hope of seeing a free river.

You're right. He is getting excellent odds.

But is it a bad thing if he calls behind?

What I'm trying to say is that raising here still doesn't achieve much imo. He's folding his marginal hands and jamming his monster hands. If he jams after we raise we have to fold I think. If we call and he comes over we can peel one I'm assuming. I don't mind him coming along with some marginal hands if we call.

V1 is never folding if we don't raise. Whether we want him to or not is part of what makes the hand so confusing.
And no, he's not calling wide if I raise.

I think it is a bad thing, you're never trapping V1 in this situation, if you smash a high card on the turn he's not paying you off ever in a dry side pot, and if you hit a club or a low card you will probably no longer be ahead if you end up playing a big pot.

I would still call. We don't know where we stand and we are out of position. If we raise we might get jammed. Do we call in this case?

If we call we'll have a better understanding where we are in the hand. If our villain raises behind us we have the odds to call and see the turn.

There are some turn cards that might make it possible for us to extract some value (any non club low) if he flats.

I don't feel comfortable bloating the pot with so little information.



Add on: The more I think about this hand the more raising small makes sense. It's villain depended but a small raise might do a trick. I don't know

Raise to 360.

Hero raises to 420, V1 cold calls.
Turn (1320) : 6d
Hero (4500) ..

I don't think you can/should bet-fold here, so I'd just full pot it.

Hero checks, villain checks
River (1320) : 4d
Hero checks, villain 1320

Side pot is 620, main pot 700.

Some things:
I think he assumes I have A2 almost always.
I think he believed I was going to check raise turn.

if V1 is not calling light OTF if you raise as you say then is it fine to assume he would not have called your raise with bare A2:cc?

if so he probably would have to have at least something like A2Kxx:cc or A2BBy:cc where BB is a gutter combo. in a board as disparate this these should make up a large amount of his cold calling range. in the former case the remaining xx needs to exactly beat you since you have the highest 2 pair. In the latter case he can't beat you for the high

you block top 2 sets and he would've bet those on the turn anyway

he could have an errant A233x type of hand but he would 100% bet that on the turn given you checked

feels like you are good for half way more then 2/3 of the times so it's probably a trivial call

not sure if i'm being too rigid on my assumptions though

Yup
Why giving him 5-1 w/ random small clubs not having a single blocker?

Yet nut clubs, K3, AK2, clubs with backdoors could be interested to proceed when we raise. If he folds it its not really a disaster given he would drastically increase equity w/ lots of hands on many runouts which would never help your marginal high only hand.

Calling KK, 99 or AK w/ clubs is more enticing.