Villain 1 ($4500) - new player in the pool. Played with him once before a fee days ago. I woukdnt call him a complete whale, but has played very agressively with a lot of trash hands and buys in deep. Seems like he probably had a lot of money. Just came to the main game from the must move with a ton of chips.
History : a few days ago he 3x barreled off into me when I had broadway on a high only board and snap folded on the river when I raised his third barrel all in for not much more.
Villain 2 ($400) - older fish. Plays a lot of trash. Usually loses a lot $300-$500 at a time. Very loose passive.
Hero ($2500) - A A 3 4 5
Preflop:
V2 straddles the button, V1 completes the bb, a few calls, we pot to $70 in the cut off. V2 calls. V1 back raises to $300. Folds back to us and we 4bet to $900 with the intention of calling it off if shoved on.
Question... Flat the 3 bet in position or is the 4 bet fine?
Villain flats.
Spoiler:
Flop: $1900 - heads up
A 6 T
Gin flop. Villain checks. Auto all in? Or are we strong enough to let villain hang himself? Seems like that's probably just fps but opinions are appreciated.
You're blocking a couple of backdoor mid-range straights in case V has some in his hand with the 6 otb. I doubt it though. His hand is more than likely a2 with wheel cards or a2 with paint cards or an ace with broadway cards. The only thing we are worried about otf is broadway wraps, nut lo draws even though we're blocking one combo, or backdoor straight draws containing the 6 otf. Even though we have top set with nut heart draw here and 2nd nut lo draw, I'm Gii here. Another reason to Gii here is because there's somewhat a chance V does also. What does he call 900 pf here with and doesn't continue otf even though an ace hit?
Villain 1 ($4500) - new player in the pool. Played with him once before a fee days ago. I woukdnt call him a complete whale, but has played very agressively with a lot of trash hands and buys in deep. Seems like he probably had a lot of money. Just came to the main game from the must move with a ton of chips.
History : a few days ago he 3x barreled off into me when I had broadway on a high only board and snap folded on the river when I raised his third barrel all in for not much more.
Villain 2 ($400) - older fish. Plays a lot of trash. Usually loses a lot $300-$500 at a time. Very loose passive.
Hero ($2500) - A A: 3 4: 5:
Preflop:
V2 straddles the button, V1 completes the bb, a few calls, we pot to $70 in the cut off. V2 calls. V1 back raises to $300. Folds back to us and we 4bet to $900 with the intention of calling it off if shoved on.
Question... Flat the 3 bet in position or is the 4 bet fine?
Villain flats.
Spoiler:
Flop: $1900 - heads up
A: 6 T
Gin flop. Villain checks. Auto all in? Or are we strong enough to let villain hang himself? Seems like that's probably just fps but opinions are appreciated.
What about betting something ridiculously small like $400 then gii on any turn?
Betting big might discourage him from continuing with some second best draws such as weaker flushes, low, pairs, or gutters, or any combination of the above.
Betting small also allows him to spazz and get it in here and pray he hits something.
Imo potting the flop is fine because villain def has a deuce in his hand, and I'm guessing that if we give the free card and a low card comes he might call off to get his money back with 2-4.
You're blocking a couple of backdoor mid-range straights in case V has some in his hand with the 6 otb. I doubt it though. His hand is more than likely a2 with wheel cards or a2 with paint cards or an ace with broadway cards. The only thing we are worried about otf is broadway wraps, nut lo draws even though we're blocking one combo, or backdoor straight draws containing the 6 otf. Even though we have top set with nut heart draw here and 2nd nut lo draw, I'm Gii here. Another reason to Gii here is because there's somewhat a chance V does also. What does he call 900 pf here with and doesn't continue otf even though an ace hit?
yeah, this is basically exactly what i was thinking. all in on the flop has to be best almost all of the time. btw, i'm pretty sure i played with you on saturday night.
What about betting something ridiculously small like $400 then gii on any turn?
Betting big might discourage him from continuing with some second best draws such as weaker flushes, low, pairs, or gutters, or any combination of the above.
Betting small also allows him to spazz and get it in here and pray he hits something.
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i thought about this. although i haven't played hold em lately, i generally play hold em with kind of a trappy strategy. i generally think trapping in big o (and omaha variants in general) gets you into trouble. if the board texture was a little different (the T being a 9 for example) i think slow playing or betting small is better. i would just hate to see the J roll off on the turn and then hate life.
What about betting something ridiculously small like $400 then gii on any turn
Betting 400 here is relatively the same as checking. It accomplishes nothing besides pushing equity and if we're pushing equity we might as well push the max which I think is a shove. Almost guaranteed V has a deuce here and almost positive he has a 3 or a 4 and that flop hits us so hard that we are blocking everything. Villain practically knows we have top set but he doesnt know that we have the 2nd nut-lo draw or blockers and the nut heart draw and we have backdoor mid-range straight blockers. Villain is calling a shove here with the nut lo draw definitely after investing 900 according to heroes description. Better to get max value now. Our hand is ridiculous and we're fine if V calls or not.
yeah, this is basically exactly what i was thinking. all in on the flop has to be best almost all of the time. btw, i'm pretty sure i played with you on saturday night.
At worst we are a 2-1 favorite against the nut lo draw and the gutter broadway. You can rule out broadway wraps because he's not pushing 900 pf without an ace so that leaves four cards with his ace which is probably 2/3 and either wheel cards or face cards. Facing a23(p)(p) we're still a 2-1 favorite. If he doesn't have a23(p)(p) then he probably has a23 + 4/5 4/6 5/6. We're still a 2-1 favorite against these hands. And this is the top of his range due to card removal. I reverse my decision. I'm betting 600 or so otf and shoving every turn.
So we have under a pot left on a flop which smashes our 4-bet range, and also hits villains 3-bet range so well that he often has +30% against our range. I don't think there is anything wrong with shoving our full range on this flop. If you think he'll be likely to make more mistakes if you choose another sizing, then go ahead and bet third or half of your remaining stack.
You got to think his range includes a lot of A23 A24 hands which have 25% -30% equity which we have crushed and would like him to call but folding them out benefits us too. Also in big O any free card is scary so if turn brigs a Q or J, who knows could give him a straight.
I might bet but bet smaller than pot to try and give him a chance to spazz out and raise.
Agreed GII. He 3-betting/4-bet calling range smashes this flop too so unlikely he folds. Even if he does, picking up near 200BBs uncontested is pretty sweet.