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The pre flop all in call. The pre flop all in call.

02-16-2012 , 01:13 PM
Hello everyone!

I am trying to gather some data of Texas Hold'em hands where there is a decision for a pre flop all in call. Either a villain has made a bet to put you all in or they have gone all in for their chips and you are on a call/fold decision.

I have written an app that examine this situation. The info I need is the size of your stack, the bet size, pot size, the big blind and your cards of course. Other information might include other players in the hand yet to act or any other action, but I am not primarily concerned with that.

If there are past threads that have discussed such a scenario that you can think of please let me know, or if you have had a hand like this in the past you would post that would be great! The more marginal the hand the better. I am looking for hands that cause inflection points and not just easy call fold situation.
02-17-2012 , 01:32 AM
how do you plan on us giving you such data?
02-17-2012 , 11:32 AM
Sorry if I was not more clear Omni. Here is an example I what I am looking for.

The blinds are 1000/500. You are holding QJs on the big blind. It is mid to late stage in a MTT. The Button has pushed in for 6000 You have 13000 in your stack so it is 5000 for you to call. The small blind folds.

This is all I am really looking for. Some real life examples of a pre flop all in call situations. If you have an opinion about the hand and how it should be played feel free to add that as well. I am sure in the long history of threads on this site there is probably someone somewhere who has already had a question about analyzing a situation like this. If anyone can point me in that right direction that would be helpful as well.

As for the above hand, does anyone have any opinion on this one? Call or fold?
02-17-2012 , 04:47 PM
I have a script that checks the "call any" button when I am in the BB.
02-17-2012 , 11:30 PM
So you want us to give random hands of people calling in these spots?

You haven't given enough information with the given hand. The BU tendencies, and the his stack size/SB stack are crucial information. You're getting 1.5:1, so that should be a fairly +ev call most of the time.




Why would you ever want such a script?
02-19-2012 , 02:39 PM
This doesn't make any sense. What is it you're trying to do?
02-19-2012 , 07:49 PM
/thread?
02-20-2012 , 02:42 AM
OP you might as well just fabricate some hand histories lol. How many were you looking for, exactly.
02-21-2012 , 01:26 AM
K-10 early in a MTT tournament blinds are 100-200 there are 3 limpers. Button goes all in for 1050 you are 2nd to last limper and it is folded to you. The all in player has only played 2 hands Pocket 66's hit open ended straight and lost to QQ and this one. You have about 3000 chips.
02-21-2012 , 03:41 AM
call, you're getting good odds
02-21-2012 , 06:47 AM
Blinds are 200/400 and you have 3300 and pocket 3s UTG. You decide to limp and utg+1 shoves all in for 3500. Folded to MP who goes all in... back to you. snap call that **** homie!
02-22-2012 , 09:23 AM
Thats ABC poker if you dont know these stuff you should go to the begginers threads
02-22-2012 , 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by AirPaulie
K-10 early in a MTT tournament blinds are 100-200 there are 3 limpers. Button goes all in for 1050 you are 2nd to last limper and it is folded to you. The all in player has only played 2 hands Pocket 66's hit open ended straight and lost to QQ and this one. You have about 3000 chips.
Thank you AirPaulie, I think this is great example hand. Exactly what I was looking for. This, I would say is a pretty solid call situation, even though the player has showing down strength, the blinds are getting high compared to his stack. He could be moving with less than real value. Did you see this hand come to a show down by any chance?
02-22-2012 , 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by PlayMaker
Blinds are 200/400 and you have 3300 and pocket 3s UTG. You decide to limp and utg+1 shoves all in for 3500. Folded to MP who goes all in... back to you. snap call that **** homie!
Great example hand. I agree on the call, but it is a marginal one. Did you see this hand play out? Do you mind if I ask if you had any info on the player if so? Aggressive or Tight?
02-22-2012 , 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Blair
OP you might as well just fabricate some hand histories lol. How many were you looking for, exactly.
Fabricated hands are fine if they are realistic or if they are just coming from memory and closely proximate how the hand was played out. I am looking for as many hands as people are willing to post. Thanks for the help!
02-22-2012 , 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by omnimirage
So you want us to give random hands of people calling in these spots?

You haven't given enough information with the given hand. The BU tendencies, and the his stack size/SB stack are crucial information. You're getting 1.5:1, so that should be a fairly +ev call most of the time.




Why would you ever want such a script?
Omni, this is all research for an app I have developed. I wanted different example hands to make sure I am getting outside of the box for testing purposes.

As for my example hand, the BU tendencies may or may not be know,
The stack size of both players stack was mentioned 13k and 6k, The big blind was also listed as 1k (making the small blind 500 in standard Hold'em) I think this is a pretty good call with those odds as well. Thanks for you feedback, do you have any example hands yourself?
02-22-2012 , 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by DarkOne
I have a script that checks the "call any" button when I am in the BB.
+100, Let's play some poker some time haha
02-22-2012 , 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by g.gagyi
Thats ABC poker if you dont know these stuff you should go to the begginers threads
It's not about knowing or not knowing what to do in the spot, probably most of us on the forum have a good enough understanding to know what to do. I am just looking for example hands for testing. If you have any that would be great.
02-22-2012 , 06:37 PM
This thread is ridicolous, have you ever heard of PT3/HEM?
02-22-2012 , 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by omnimirage
This thread is ridicolous, have you ever heard of PT3/HEM?
Yes, I have hear of them. Sorry, but if you think the thread is ridiculous why do you keep posting on it?
02-22-2012 , 06:55 PM
Was wondering if I was missing something
02-22-2012 , 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by nfin
Great example hand. I agree on the call, but it is a marginal one. Did you see this hand play out? Do you mind if I ask if you had any info on the player if so? Aggressive or Tight?
Both players were pretty tight.
33 vs JJ vs AA respectively.
pocket 3s floppd quads
02-23-2012 , 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by nfin
I am sure in the long history of threads on this site there is probably someone somewhere who has already had a question about analyzing a situation like this. If anyone can point me in that right direction that would be helpful as well.
There and thousands and thousands of hand histories posted in the strategy forums.
If you're looking for tournament hands specifically, then see http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/23/small-stakes-mtt/ or http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/36/stt-strategy/ for example.
02-23-2012 , 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by ArtySmokes
There and thousands and thousands of hand histories posted in the strategy forums.
If you're looking for tournament hands specifically, then see http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/23/small-stakes-mtt/ or http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/36/stt-strategy/ for example.
Thanks very much!
03-25-2012 , 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by nfin
Great example hand. I agree on the call, but it is a marginal one. Did you see this hand play out? Do you mind if I ask if you had any info on the player if so? Aggressive or Tight?
You have 7BBs left after you limp. Its an easy call based on stack size imo. How can you possibly say its marginal when:

A) We have no reads on villain
B) No stats or other table dynamics.
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