I start playing on ipoker DONS where i think that i have some edge and i had good results on bwin.party.Still now i have been played around 500 games .
I think that i have a very good strategy on this kind of games.
But....is this rng really random?Becouse on those 500 games i am on 30 buy ins minus just becouse my 95%-98% chances on turn where dismissed.

I never in my life seen how 1 out or 2 outs transforms in nuts on the river.

On ipoker River is magic - absolutly all winning hands against opponents is on river .How they do this magic i really dont know.
I am not complaining about this downswing wich is normal to be - but all regulars from my level , they are on big and huge - . I am wondering why they still play there. I play till the end of this month to finish some rake race and i think that what i will receive is just to cover my minus here.

Is someone else who play dons there?

You can find all that you seek here http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...dition-255990/

As a computer scientist i can attest that each programmer codes the same thing differently. So i would not put it out of the realm of speculation that the code for each companies RNGs are different but relatively the same. Also player pool is much different and how you play against them can make you a winning or losing player. Its not so much that its rigged but can seem so based on these and many other things. I will give you an example my bank roll was 30 Buy Ins for 25NL so about $750 i had on Bovada which is suppose to host the fishiest players in the world. I was turning a profit for the first day or so then out of no where suck out upon suck out especially on the river. it came to the point i didn't even want to get it in because everytime i would get it in a head the villain would get runner runner or some sort of set suck out on the river. One night after a $250 dollar down swing i said alright i am done with this **** and left. I went over to Americas card room(btw i am from USA) put $200 dollars on there. In the last five days i have brought that number up to about $450, i am set to win $150 from the beast on the 31st have about $50 in rake back coming today and will have $150-200 by the 31th, and have 50 dollars in bonus cash available with $200 more to come from my reload bonus. I am currently crushing 25NL staying plus EV and positive gains. So i analyzed what i was doing differently. Well for one thing better benefits but aside from that i am still winning compared to losing. Well obviously HUD made a different but not really i crush live when i do play so that wasn't it. The player pool is pretty nit and the ones that arent spew money into your kipper had a guy the other day opening 97% of hands and calling down to the river on most hands. Since the players are nitty i can push them around more and make spots that look like a pro should fold. Giving them bad odds to call and looking at decent hand ranges and giving them over odds to stay in. The other thing i did was i pulled a couple hands out of my range. I was playing some suited gappers from the blinds to trap example 86s or 97s. Making these changes to your game can be the critical swing you need in such a volatile game.

Sincerely,

Ex Riggie

No.

probably not.

No, it's random.
In layman's terms, a RNG uses external factors to determine the number output, while a PRNG uses none.
PRNG are exploitable, RNGs are only exploitable if one has access to that external factor (since it's easy to make this impossible without actually hacking the server, RNGs are not exploitable.)

The RNG is random.

But the problem with playing double or nothing is that it's a format which is tailor-made for collusion, and you will probably be playing against organised cheating rings.

Stars stopped offering DONs about two or three because they proved impossible to police effectively, and most of the other sites don't have game integrity teams anywhere near as thorough as Stars.

So although it feels rigged, it's more likely you're being cheated by other players, not the site itself

What types of games are made to work against collusion...HU, MTT?

Zoom

Yeah, and also
^this

Obviously no collusion in HU, only one opponent, so who would he collude with? Essentially impossible in MTTs, as chances of being on the same table as your team of con-conspirators are vanishingly small. Same goes for Zoom, or any other sites' "fast-fold" games.

STTs are where it's likely to be worst - you'll get a team of players who will work together, mainly in ICM spots, and depending on the nature of the hand in question, they'll either be soft-playing each other, or ganging up on you to reduce your equity.

This +infinity

The problem with iPoker's security dept (in my experience) is that they generally don't detect these issues unless they're brought to their attention, and even then I've been bemused by how dismissive they can be when you do report blatant collusion.

It's not really surprising considering the outlandish rb deals that can be acquired on ipoker, they should really curb rb and invest it in a proper security department, but that's never going to happen.

I'm satisfied with the RNG on iPoker, and I'm saying this while currently in the midst of a 28 buyin below EV downswing at the moment.

I am suspicious of Merge's though. It's the only site out of all the top 10 that I'm unable to make a profit from. I have played over 1000 husng's and my AIEV is well into the black, while my actual winnings is almost its shadow.

I have no doubts that probably in other kind of games the rng is ok , but on sng ( double or nothing at least ) , for shure is not .

Other thing that upset me is that : Ipoker made theyr last test on RNG in 2009 . For the christ sake we are in the late of 2013 and they made theyr last test in 2009 .

Is this a joke? How do they keeped theyr license till now?

Is really obvious that the gouvernment where they do have the license dont give a **** about fairness or things like that.
http://www.ipoker.com/html/static/uploads/pdf/TST.pdf

And something else: the level i play those sng s i dont think they are capable for something like that. I play just for some promotions of my affiliate and will be the last month on ipoker becouse from s.f. now is extra s.f.

Pecal, unless you have actual evidence of it not being random, you're just making assumptions.

Use your HUD to gather a sample of ~1 million hands and see if it doesn't determine that things are normal.

Maybe you just aren't very good/don't have enough of an understanding of variance?

@winne - i am talking about only for Double or nothings sng not for all types of games from the network . In tournaments i am profitable on Ipoker , cash - i dont play and here i am only on Double or nothings sng .

I forgot also to say that this threat better to be discussed by people who play DON s on Ipoker and not people wich they are playing other kind of games .

I mention that i play those games just for a rake race of my affiliate .

I dont have 1 mil hands becouse i played only 1500 games til now.

Whats your username on there?

Also, 1 and 2 outers are pretty rare in general. It means either someone rivers quads in a set vs set situation, or they have a higher PP that hits a set on the river. Both are fairly unlikely, and I'm sure a study of your HUD would agree they aren't happening as much as you feel they are.

What? So you're saying that they have a rigged RNG which is only used for DONs, and all they other games use a non-rigged RNG? Do you realise how ridiculous you sound?

If they were going to cheat, they might as well cheat the lot, not just a niche game like DONs, which will only account for a fraction of their traffic.

It's an algorithm, it won't wear out. It's not like checking whether the tyres on your car have gone bald. Nobody has audited Pythagoras' Theorem for about 2,500 years, but it still nails the length of the hypotenuse every time.

If the RNG was successfully generating random numbers at the time of the audit, and if they haven't made any changes to the algorithm since, and the hardware has been maintained in good working order, then it'll still be generating random numbers just fine.


That's a pretty small sample, anything could happen. When Stars used to offer DONs, there was a dude who played them who used to manage that many games in a single day. Any decent grinder would easily manage that in less than a week.

If that's the entirety of your sample then it's not really that significant, particularly in a game where the maximum edges are so small. No offence, but it's quite possible you might not even be a winning player, and maybe the early rungood on bwin was the fluke, with your recent bad results making up for your good luck at the start.

does speed differ from normal tables in regard to this?

It has to be different because speed is rigged for action while the rest of the network is fine. After leaving Speed, one of the biggest winners in the Rush/Zoom game in over 500k hands not including the 1 million plus hands of Rush I had played previously. Also, its not that I didn't win money at speed because I did but when I have 10 bi's upswings and downswings literally on the regular every 1-2k hands, and that has never happened on any other siote I have played on, something is wrong.

I know I can't believe my speed poker ravings made it into this part of 2+2 either That being said, I speak truth, but believe what you want. You get your high RB deals and win no table profits and I will continue to undress the weak FTP/Stars small stakes fast variant games!


Note: Rush is soft as hell all the way up through 400NL
Zoom gets real tough at 500NL

In any case, assuming there's no active attempt by the software developer to rig the system for their own benefit, the RNG algorithm is likely to be more random than hand-shuffled cards in a casino, which is de rigeur for most large tournaments.

I loled, def rigged, you're profitable on the donkaments tho, so DON's should be rigged.
I play 6max don's there and I don't even think that there's much collusion there, as someone already mentioned Poker is Rigged thread ftw.

but why is poker rigged then?

of course its rigged, no other reason i lose