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Do i deserve a second chance? Do i deserve a second chance?

05-01-2013 , 01:50 PM
My story begins 4 years before when i made a thing, that i am assemed for and want to tell to the poker community.
Like a beginner i started to play poker in pokerstars 4 years before with the name sir Achil. Because i was a break evaen player and after several bad beats, i had the silly "idea" to start cheating. So i and 2 friends were playing 1 table sng 6max in the same table. Every time we were 2 of the 6 players and we were speaking via skupe. As expected after 1 month pokerstars caught us, froze our my account and mine friends and got the money we had in our cashiers. So the story begins.
As i realised what i did, i admitted from the first time what i did. I said that i am really embarased and sorry and accepted the penalty.
Thats the reason pokerstars answer to my email saying this:

" Although I appreciate that you did all admit to this when questioned, I'm
afraid that due to the extent of the collusion which took place, we are left
with no alternative but to take this action. "
So my next move is to open an account in full tilt and start playing poker without cheating. My goal was to become on of the best players in 6max sngs to prove to myself an the poker community that i am a really good player and not a thief. So i succeded to get number 17 in sharkscope 2010 leaderbord in (16-35)$ 6max regural sngs (second in profit in full tilt).
Later after 3 years passed and because full tilt was closed i sent this email to pokerstars.
" It is almost 2 years since you froze my account,as you caught me
stealing on pokerstars table. Unfortunately,then the only thing i had on my mind was the easy profit. After i realised what i did,i was so embarrassed for my actions. But you did not ever give me the opportunity,to prove that i can steel be a normal poker player.
So after that,my only way was to play at an other company(Full Tilt) and improve my game to be as good as i had dreamed. And for 2 years i was playing so good,became part of training sites, so i made a profit of 15.000$ and more without including the bonuses from rakeback and ftp. Moreover i was ranked 17 in sharkscope total profit 2010 leaderboard in holdem 5 to 6 players. Please check sharkscope.com or the attachments i send you to prove this.
The reason i tell you all this,is that my dream is to become one pro-poker player.
And the only way to reach this is to be a part of the best poker site.
Honestly i please you to give me only a chance to prove that i can play as normal poker at pokerstars.
I will do whatever you want to prove my words.
Moreover i just finished with my studies at technical university and have plenty of time to spent at poker. Please check my mail with attention.
And at last believe me that i want to fix the stupidity that I did 2 years ago.
Honesty and with Respect to pokerstars
sir Achil..
"
Moreover as i was a regural in 6max sngs i sent more than 10 emails to full tilt support refering players that were stealing my on the tables as i did in pokerstars.

After that and after full tilt reopened i started again to play in full tilt but not so often as previous as there are very few players. That is the reason that any FTOPS and miniFTOPS do not rich the guarranteed prize pool. Moreover i earned 2.100$ in an FTOPS event.

I want to promise here that i never stealed again and full tilt support can prove this.

In an email pokerstars sent to me they told me:

" That said, we would be willing to re-asses the situation once at least three years has elapsed from the time you were barred. You were officially barred on February 6th, 2010. Please write to us after three years has elapsed from that date (February 6th, 2013) and we will review the situation further."

So Before 3 months and after 3 years had passed i sent this email.
" Unfortunately you treat me like a casual gamer who just wants to become again
a member of your company.
I am writing to you to see how I've really regretted for what i did from the first moment.
and for that reason from the first email you sent me,i promptly admitted my mistake.
Please carefully review my case and appreciate my sincerity.
If I want to play is very easy, I can use my girlfriend's account or my brothers or my friends.
But I want to give me a chance to prove to you and throughout the pokercomunity that I am an honest player.
Please consider with more attention to my request.
I am available to give you all the information that you need. honesty and with respect
sir Achil
p.s. please dont answer with an auto email "

Pokerstars didnt allow me so i sent again a new email:
"Dear Stuart W

I really understand your decision and your policy. But why not to give a chance to a player who really wants to make a new start. Please give me a chance to me, to prove my words. when i made the collusion i only thought silly that it was a game. But now i take poker as a job. I plan to become a pro-player.
I am able to help you to give me a chance. I can send to you whatever papers ,such as Id, you need. Moreover i suggest you not to allow me to make any transfers or withdrawals before you can check all my moves.
I please you again to give me a chance with any term you think is right.
Sorry again. Please appreciate my sincerety.


Achilleas"
I think that with this email i prove that i wouldn steal again
After all pokerstars decided not to give me the chance to prove that i am a honest player who deserves a second chance.
The reward for all that came tome yesterday. Full tilt support sent this email to me:
" Hello Axilleas,

It has recently come to our attention that you have been previously barred from "PokerStars" under your user name "sir Achil".

We are applying similar policies and procedures to Full Tilt Poker Game Integrity Team such that they will be following similar protocol as that of PokerStars. Please note that our systems will not allow barred players from one site to play on the other.

You are no longer welcome to play on either Full Tilt Poker or PokerStars. As a result, your Full Tilt Poker account has been closed.

As we are striving to work towards the same standards and goals for game integrity and customer satisfaction on both sites, I hope you can understand our stance on this issue and why we have closed your account. Please be aware that any future accounts created or used by you to access our games on either site will be closed without notice and will have all funds seized.
"
i answered:
"
Dear Niall
i am very disappointed by your decision. I think that as i am a honest player this was a foul from your side.
First of all i never made a collusion all the time i was playing on full tilt
Second i was one of the best players on full tilt in 6max sng. That is the reason i was on the leaderboard on sharkscope in 15-35$ 6max one table
Third i was sent you more than 10 emails mentioning to you that i was cheated by other players.
Moreover i have sent you several emails to pokerstars support, to tell to you how much i assamed was for what i did and asking from you to give me a chance to prove that i am a honest player, knowing the risk i had to get banned from you on full tilt.
I think and i insist that you must think once again and give me a chance to prove that i have accepted my mistake and will not make this rediculus mistake again. "
In conclusion i want to say that with such a treetment pokerstars dosn not protect players from collusion. I think players like me, if given a second chance will not ever steal at poker tables again. But if not, these players can steal continue stealing as the have nothing to lose, They simply can open a new acconut in a friends name and steal till get caught.
I am really sorry for the long text but i am desperate.
What i am asking is from all of you to tell if i really deserve a second chance. If most of you tell me that i dont i will respect it.
Thanks for your attention
Achil
05-01-2013 , 07:02 PM
No. You are scum.
05-01-2013 , 07:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sir_Achil
So Before 3 months and after 3 years had passed i sent this email.
" Unfortunately you treat me like a casual gamer who just wants to become again
a member of your company.
I am writing to you to see how I've really regretted for what i did from the first moment.
and for that reason from the first email you sent me,i promptly admitted my mistake.
Please carefully review my case and appreciate my sincerity.
If I want to play is very easy, I can use my girlfriend's account or my brothers or my friends.
But I want to give me a chance to prove to you and throughout the pokercomunity that I am an honest player.
Please consider with more attention to my request.
I am available to give you all the information that you need. honesty and with respect
sir Achil
p.s. please dont answer with an auto email "
I was almost with you until here, where you essentially said: "I'm special, treat me like I'm important and special since I will be a poker pro. Unban the account I cheated on because otherwise I could just cheat with someone else's account."
05-01-2013 , 07:40 PM
I don't think you deserve any "second chance". I applaud stars/ftp for barring you from playing at ftp. If I owned a business let's say retail and I was aware u were barred for stealing from my competitor I would not want you in my establishment.

Last edited by Dynasty; 05-01-2013 at 09:17 PM.
05-01-2013 , 10:12 PM
Wait the 3 years and then see what they say. If they allow you back, consider it run good.

Easy game.
05-02-2013 , 01:03 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ScamCity
What if that establishment itself was indicted on fraud?
Stars was indicted for fraud? Or do you mean my imaginary retail establishment from my analogy?

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05-02-2013 , 01:44 AM
You have some spelling mistakes in those emails.

Nobody is going to give you a second chance or think you've changed when you write, "will just use girlfriend or friend to bypass ban" and I'm sort of shocked you would write that.

I'm guessing you wrote this all in one sitting without giving it some time to sink in what you've wrote before reading it once more and sending. How is that treating online poker like your job?

Btw i don't really have a side with you or pokerstars, about your ban and I think you will appreciate my unbiased opinion.
05-02-2013 , 06:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ganstaman
I was almost with you until here, where you essentially said: "I'm special, treat me like I'm important and special since I will be a poker pro. Unban the account I cheated on because otherwise I could just cheat with someone else's account."
I wrote this to show them that this policy doesn't protect other players from collusion. That i am special obvius it was an exaggeration.
P.s. i know i have some mistakes in my english but had not the time to corect them
05-02-2013 , 06:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by iosys
You have some spelling mistakes in those emails.

Nobody is going to give you a second chance or think you've changed when you write, "will just use girlfriend or friend to bypass ban" and I'm sort of shocked you would write that.

I'm guessing you wrote this all in one sitting without giving it some time to sink in what you've wrote before reading it once more and sending. How is that treating online poker like your job?

Btw i don't really have a side with you or pokerstars, about your ban and I think you will appreciate my unbiased opinion.
In conclusion i write
I think and i insist that you must think once again and give me a chance to prove that i have accepted my mistake and will not make this rediculus mistake again. "
In conclusion i want to say that with such a treetment pokerstars does not protect players from collusion. I think players like me, if given a second chance will not ever steal at poker tables again. But if not, these players can steal continue stealing as the have nothing to lose, They simply can open a new acconut in a friends name and steal till get caught.

Thats the reason i wrote this, i think my intentions are obvius
05-02-2013 , 06:38 AM
Move on, find another site, never cheat again. I don't think you deserve to be on PS or FTP, you could have made your case if you had waited the three years but you didn't, so, I have no sympathy.
05-02-2013 , 07:22 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sir_Achil
" That said, we would be willing to re-asses the situation once at least three years has elapsed from the time you were barred. You were officially barred on February 6th, 2010. Please write to us after three years has elapsed from that date (February 6th, 2013) and we will review the situation further."

So Before 3 months and after 3 years had passed i sent this email.
" Unfortunately you treat me like a casual gamer who just wants to become again
a member of your company.
I am writing to you to see how I've really regretted for what i did from the first moment.
and for that reason from the first email you sent me,i promptly admitted my mistake.
Please carefully review my case and appreciate my sincerity.
If I want to play is very easy, I can use my girlfriend's account or my brothers or my friends.
But I want to give me a chance to prove to you and throughout the pokercomunity that I am an honest player.
Please consider with more attention to my request.
I am available to give you all the information that you need. honesty and with respect
sir Achil
I did
05-02-2013 , 01:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sir_Achil
I did
Please write to us after three years has elapsed from that date (February 6th, 2013) and we will review the situation further."
you should weigh your words in such cases.
it could've worked if you just had written:hey guys! how's my problem?I'm dying to play!
instead of this you started complaining and talking about friends' help
unfortunately it looks like nothing can be done right now
05-03-2013 , 01:36 AM
if you cheat on another account will they not find that out too?
if you want to play honestly you can play honestly on another account instead without harming other players.

that may be against the rules, but I bet there are plenty of accounts out there with more than one player grinding for fpp, and people playing with coaches sweating live.
05-03-2013 , 12:46 PM
I'm gonna go with no, sorry.
You robbed people and don't deserve another chance.
Just imho.
05-03-2013 , 02:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vaedur
I'm gonna go with no, sorry.
You robbed people and don't deserve another chance.
Just imho.
in NY people stay in prison till death?
05-03-2013 , 03:29 PM
Where are you from? By the way you write I'm assuming you're not English, and not American as you're on FTP and PS. Couldn't you play on some Euro site?
05-04-2013 , 05:44 AM
Punishment fits the crime.You should join Ipoker they love cheaters.
05-04-2013 , 11:29 AM
Nothing you could do, poker sites can't be seen to let known cheats play on their site it's bad for business. If you think you got it bad then thing of that German kid who finished 3rd in one of those super big Sunday million tournaments. He was found out to be playing underage and lost the $500k for 3rd. You actually cheated, he just played underage
05-04-2013 , 08:46 PM
Whilst I don't think cheating is right, I can kinda understand that it must suck not being able to play the game years after even though you have a new mindset!
05-05-2013 , 07:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by striiing
Nothing you could do, poker sites can't be seen to let known cheats play on their site it's bad for business. If you think you got it bad then thing of that German kid who finished 3rd in one of those super big Sunday million tournaments. He was found out to be playing underage and lost the $500k for 3rd. You actually cheated, he just played underage
I know the story you're talking about.. I forget the kids name, but didn't they just hold the funds until he was 18?
05-11-2013 , 06:56 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulhal
Whilst I don't think cheating is right, I can kinda understand that it must suck not being able to play the game years after even though you have a new mindset!
and after i told them that i play on full tilt and etc....I wish this policy will protect the players but do not believe it. I think if these players were on a black list, and support could check all their transfers and withdrawals it woulb be much safer
05-11-2013 , 09:32 AM
TL;DR, but no you don't deserve a second chance. There are plenty of sites out there, play on another one and don't cheat this time. Sounds like you've burned your bridges at stars.
05-11-2013 , 02:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by perplexed76
in NY people stay in prison till death?
in NY, if you open a checking account at Chase and then write a bunch of bad checks when you didn't have the money, you'll go to jail and then Chase will NEVER allow you to open a checking account with them again.

this guy is cheating scum who does not deserve to play online poker ever again.

kudos to stars
05-12-2013 , 02:34 PM
I think Stars is right for banning. As much as you have changed, you have showed you are capable of collusion, the temptation is always there.
05-12-2013 , 04:57 PM
I believe everyone no matter the crime deserves a 2nd chance so i say yes

      
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