I was playing low limits online on PS and could say I was pretty much grinder over there. Now I must change site because of poker coaching, so I am currently playing on Partypoker. I am playing same limits, sometimes mixing them up, because of low traffic and as I started recently, I am trying to get to know players, the way they play etc. I did not have problem to get used to local grinders, because according to PS they are worse, but my main problem are fish. Actually I brought there downswing from PS, so I dont play my best poker now, but since I was there I could effectly play against fish. I mean, my sessions looked like, that all I won from my aggresive play, then got busted against unbelievably played hand, which are mostly played against my monster hands, where I expect according to odds be in winning shape, but unfortunately all my hands such as AA etc. are crushed. After some of this spots and get tilted and have to either quit session or take a break and try some other strategies and I know how I should against fish, but simply nothing is working. Any idea what should I try?

You probably have some serious flaws in your game. Search for sircuddles guide to beating the micros..

You cannot, except when you can.

is this like over 500 hands or something small like that?

It has been 9000 hands so far and it has been total disaster. I went from playing +EV in PS to be total loser in Partypoker, I cant explain what is going on, just nearly every session I play ends up by loosing in row many unlosing hands then I lose my whole profit from that day and when I dont quit, because of starting tilting I get to red numbers. Recently, I have read those guides, I tried to follow them, but I could seek just for fat value or I could play fancy poker with lot of bluffing and pretending still there was the same result and according to math it is impossible to lose that many flips when I am in nearly each preflop favourite. I simple dont get it what is going on and even though 9k hands is not many I dont believe that when I all goes done suddenly it will rise up just doing the same play.

You don't beat fish; you gut them.

you can only skin a cat one time... it's much better to leach off them so they continue to return hopeful. Just like OP

When this happens, just get away from the.player and go to another table instead of throwing your money.

Tighten up and look for a monster flop

pretty much sums it up.

if u cant beat the fish, how u gonna beat the pro's.
give up now while you still have your hair ...

There are a number of reasons why you may not be beating fish:

1) Bad play, and you are almost certainly guilty here since you alluded to tilt issues in your post. To control tilt set a stop loss. I play higher levels than micro and have personally never regretted my 1 buy in stop loss in pot limit/no limit games. I set this stop loss based on my informal observation that most players I have encountered who rebuy after being felted wind up losing an average of between 3 and 4 buy-ins before giving up. The last time I violated my stop loss rule was in January 2014 and guess what, I wound up losing between 3 and 4 buy-ins before I gave up. I felt pretty stupid because I knew by that time what the result of rebuying after being felted was from an informal analysis of results on Poker Tracker. Take a break. If the game is still running and is still good, come back 15 minutes or 30 minutes later. That will give you time to think through the beats and you may well find that some of your bad luck was bad play. In that case you were not playing your A game to begin with and you ought to be done for the evening.

2) Collusion, and the players participating in the collusion are not fish. If you have played poker online for any decent amount of time you have been cheated. Cheating is profitable at any level as long as you don't get caught, but some games are more profitable than others to cheat at. I avoid short handed games unless I am familiar with the players because the potential for losing money by being squeezed by colluders is very high. Tournaments and full ring cash games are less profitable for colluders because in tournaments there is less opportunity to collude and in full ring cash games the types of plays that colluders make are usually easily spotted.

3) You may be beating the fish but not the other players. Who is felting you, the fish, or micro stakes grinders? Learn your players.

4) You may be engaging in poor table risk management. sircuddles guide to beating the micros is excellent, and while he discusses bankroll management he does not discuss at the table buy-in risk management. I will give an example of what I am talking about. A few days ago I sat in a $0.25/0.50 PLO 6 max game and bought in for the max $50 because there was one known bad player (a LAGfish) in the game. While I was waiting to post blinds I looked up the other players on Poker Tracker and Poker Table Ratings and the other 4 players were decent to excellent. On the last hand before I was to post the first blind, the fish flushed his entire $65 stack. He then rebought for the minimum $10. After that I did not post my blind, I sat out and left the table immediately. Why? Because I bought in for $50 and was risking that amount of money against the good players but I could only get $10 if and when I felted the fish. I could not get enough money out of beating the fish to justify the risk of having to risk $50 every time I was in a pot against a good player. Since I had already bought in for $50 and there was no way to decrease my buy-in amount I thought it best to leave. I think this is a very important issue yet I have never seen this particular type of risk discussed in any poker book I have read.

Get rid of the tilt problem, play solid micro-stakes type poker and you will soon enjoy a fish fry.

Take Heed all..Well written....!!!

If you try to judge the intelligence of a fish by its ability to climb a tree, you will find a lot of unintelligent fish.

Be patient and always check monster draw...you should be able to lure them in

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Was having same problem.

Try to start respecting the fish more. When they show aggression, fold way more, even hands that are normally worth it TPGK, when they don't fire away and keep in mind that a fish is not competent enough to play back at you.

I don't think that most poker players realize that the more streets of play that a fish gets to see, regardless of if they call you down to the river, or if they call your all in on a flop, as long as they are getting to see more cards, then their bad decision, still while being bad for all circumstances, gets improved odds to bink their outs. Unfortunately there is little that can be done about this, especially in Pot Limit Omaha, except putting maximum pressure on them when you feel they might be making a stupid call that can bink. The more pressure you put on them, the more money they lose when they make bad calls that don't bink, because you are obviously losing money when they can't call your river all in, and they haven't hit their outs. So my advice, would be to put more pressure on them, and do it earlier, if you have been giving them "cheap" cards. They will eventually learn that you are not messing around when it comes to them in particular which is good because when isolated I think poker players should play other's differently. This becomes much more complicated when there are multiple players, especially multiple fish, involved. And don't even get me started on how this is a tremendous issue in Pot Limit Omaha.

Hey dude! I had the same feeling a month ago or so. I always had around 2-3 BIs at one table and lost them all to one hand. My suggestion is REVIEWING THOSE HANDS. It is 100% CORRECT to fold Aces on a dry flop if VILLAINS have about the same stack sizes. After all, Aces are only a pair. Deep stack poker requires more thinking. You can't overvalue all your hands because a cooler can take your whole stack. 100 BBs are nothing compared to 200 BBs. Hope that helps! I'm playing well again after reviewing those hands, and you should try doing the same thing.

[QUOTEIt is 100% CORRECT to fold Aces on a dry flop if VILLAINS have about the same stack sizes. After all, Aces are only a pair.[/QUOTE]

I totally agree. The big hands is often the hands you lose most with. If you get a feeling you will lose, you probably will. Just fold.

If the fish are too bad to beat then just play Durrr HU everyday to make money.

Sometimes is harder to beat the fish then a pro...trust me...fish call every hand and most of the time he hit the nuts(depend if is a lucky day or no)...but the pro most of the time is folding good hands in perspective to receive the nuts on the next hands....

Have you taken a step back and looked over some HH and talked with an objective friend or poker player you trust? We all think we are play better than we really do, and while that may be true from time to time, you might have developed some small leaks in your game that your are not even aware of.

I understand completely what you're saying is does at times appear that poker stars rewards terrible play which only perpetuates the bad players to keep playing bad and it just seems they endlessly get lucky . I will tell you this tilting or playing worse because that's how you see these players play and keep beating you will only amount to more loses.... pick your spots, know your marks and don't over value and play such big pots with these hands especially after the pot, unless you have a great read and/or players actions tell you that you're beat...

I hear this from people all the time and it just isn't true. It feels true, but it really isn't.

Fish play badly and professionals do not. Last week i lost a $100 pot to someone who called with 93os and hit a 4-outer on the river to make a straight. She told me that if i had bet more she would have folded so it was my own fault (I bet the pot on every street). She didn't even realise that I dont want someone who is < 10% to win the hand to fold. Will she win some times, sure, but she will lose a lot more.

If I played this same situation 10 times with this person i would stack her 9 times and be stacked once for an $800 profit. If i played against a pro i would win nothing every time. Bring on the fish...