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I am for it 162 53.64%
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Old 02-07-2012, 10:09 PM   #721
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ok i have what is probably a stupid question. but couldnt our lower life expectancy be attributed to the fact the us is a more dangerous place?
more natural disasters hurricanes tornados earthquakes and so on than other countries.
more violent crime (just a guess)
more ppl driving per capita more accidents
so on and so on.
Don't think anyone knows for sure. I think your examples have lowered life expectancy very little.
400,000 years of evolution of man walking and running. 60 or 70 years of man being sedentary. Convinced this is the main reason Americans have a lower life expectancy than other industrialized nations. They(other nationals) use public transportation more often. On many train stations it is a quarter mile or more from the entrance of the station to the trains. It takes hundreds if not thousands of generations for a species to evolve. Man is programmed to move.
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Old 02-08-2012, 08:20 PM   #722
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More unintended consequences of national healthcare.
Obamacare Vs. The Catholics
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Old 02-08-2012, 08:49 PM   #723
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catholics should know you get in bed with the antichrist you are going to get burned. im sry couldnt resist.
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Old 02-09-2012, 01:01 AM   #724
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Seems like everyone just needs to eat healthier and lay off drugs...not that surprising
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Old 02-09-2012, 06:16 AM   #725
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More unintended consequences of national healthcare.
Obamacare Vs. The Catholics
wait what, people get paid back when they use a condom? Mother****ers, I always gotta buy my own...
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Old 02-09-2012, 04:34 PM   #726
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More unintended consequences of national healthcare.
Obamacare Vs. The Catholics
It really should be Obamacare vs. the Catholic hierarchy. Your average Catholic American is actually more in favor of birth control coverage in health insurance than the average American.



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Old 02-09-2012, 04:48 PM   #727
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Catholics like to get down get in and get out imo.
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Old 02-09-2012, 09:12 PM   #728
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It really should be Obamacare vs. the Catholic hierarchy. Your average Catholic American is actually more in favor of birth control coverage in health insurance than the average American.



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given a standard error rate(not shown), I doubt it's conclusive to state that.

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Old 02-10-2012, 02:40 AM   #729
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given a standard error rate(not shown), I doubt it's conclusive to state that.

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Fair enough, but it is conclusive fair to state that your average Catholic is more likely to support rather than oppose BC coverage. It's pretty much just the fundie crowd pitching a fit over this.
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Old 02-10-2012, 09:36 AM   #730
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I've yet to come across a definition of tort reform that doesn't basically amount to "protecting companies from being held to account by juries."
The big winners in malpractice suits are the trial lawyers, not the victims. How would you like it if courts and juries were second guessing everything you did at work?
If all the malpractice suits were allowed to proceed, in the near future the annual health insurance premiums would exceed per capita income. Few doctors would measure up and be able to make a living. The doctor shortage would only get worst.
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Old 02-10-2012, 09:42 AM   #731
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The big winners in malpractice suits are the trial lawyers, not the victims.
Citation needed. Do you live in a state where plaintiff's attorneys are allowed to keep > 50% of civil judgments for themselves?

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How would you like it if courts and juries were second guessing everything you did at work?
This is pretty standard for anyone, in all walks of life. Not just at work, but when out shopping, driving our cars, etc.

(Well, I mean standard for anyone except for doctors in states which have enacted stupid and ineffective tort reform laws. In those states, doctors are special snowflakes who enjoy legal protections the rest of us do not get.)

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If all the malpractice suits were allowed to proceed, in the near future the annual health insurance premiums would exceed per capita income. Few doctors would measure up and be able to make a living. The doctor shortage would only get worst.
Citation needed.
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Old 02-10-2012, 10:14 AM   #732
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It's disappointing that this isn't clear cut.

1. Under single-payer, govt onlys pays for health-insurance. Govt has nothing to do with long lines, what doctors you choose, etc because the hospitals are still privatized. Any long line problems you have has to do with the hospital.

2. Even though are taxes increase, we pay less because there are no more huge premiums, so taxpayers SAVE money.

3. You can never be dropped and you won't go bankrupt due to high medical expenses.

So let's see, as a country, we pay less for health-care for better service (cannot be dropped) and we still have hospitals PRIVATIZED (govt only covers insurance not what goes on in the hospitals). Why is this even an argument anymore? I know why...

4. Don't give me the "down with socialism" non-sense because I don't see anyone protesting the police department and fire department in favor of privatized police and privatized fire protection. Oh, you also want school system that's 100% private? How about we have the government pay for nothing? You want your roads fixed? You better pay a private company's high cost or shut the f*ck up.
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Old 02-10-2012, 02:06 PM   #733
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The big winners in malpractice suits are the trial lawyers, not the victims. How would you like it if courts and juries were second guessing everything you did at work?
If all the malpractice suits were allowed to proceed, in the near future the annual health insurance premiums would exceed per capita income. Few doctors would measure up and be able to make a living. The doctor shortage would only get worst.
Why should doctors be special kids that need to be overprotected? If you screw up, you pay. Works like this for everyone. If you can't handle the pressure of not killing someone, maybe you should get a different job.
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Old 02-10-2012, 02:16 PM   #734
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^^^^^ if you are grossly negligent you should pay. not if you make a mistake. again doctors are not perfect and no procedure is easy.
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Old 02-10-2012, 02:57 PM   #735
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Why should doctors be special kids that need to be overprotected? If you screw up, you pay. Works like this for everyone. If you can't handle the pressure of not killing someone, maybe you should get a different job.
How much should Welker, Hernandez, and Branch be liable for losing the superbowl?

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