I've know Americans who have died or had chronic pain because they could not afford treatment that would have been covered in Canada. Personal anecdote, but still, wtf?

Why would anyone want an inefficient government involved with the well-being of the citizens? Even if you ignore all the negative effects government has in the healthcare market. Add those in and it's not too difficult to see how nobody should want government involvement unless they want to pay more for worse quality.

That's how a lot of the world works. When people want "free" stuff, everyone pays for it through taxes. For example, instead of just buying your own healthcare for cheaper than you're paying now in taxes+insurance, you're paying taxes into a large pool for everyone to use, whether they paid into it or not.

But to make it worse, when things are guaranteed "free" through taxes, the rates can keep going up because people are forced to pay taxes and have no say in the matter. This is why anything that is publicly funded through taxes is inefficient. There is no competition and there is no positive incentive to produce better, cheaper products.

But people love things they think are free! That's why it's not unrealistic to think free laptops, cellphones, TVs, etc. could happen in the future. You'll just have to pay more for them while innovation and quality cease to improve.

So it's all fine and dandy if you're life busto and are literally getting things for free, but the rest of society is being dragged down by the government because of all the free things people want. It's also a good way to busto the nation, as seen in the present. When you promise people free things and the tax pool is dry, debt accumulates.

Seems the lobbyists did a great work in the USA !!!!

The US have the most expensive health system in the world and if you ad
people without an insurance or a basic insurance its verry expensive.

I am in germany and we have a " welfare insurance " its not perfect and many complain. We have also a private sector for additional treatment and for higher incomes. If you earn above 80 000 you can choose your insurance all others have the basic state healthcare.

The basic state health care pay nearly any basic treatment including cancer, hospital, MRT , CT .... But you have to pay a verry low additional number to reduce the costs.

At sample if you visit the doctor 5$ , 5$ for medicals, here and there 20-30$ / dentist .

Additional privat insurances cover special treatment, at sample basic teeth
are free...better material or better looking is private.

The most funny anyone is insured and noone is scared but we pay 50% less / citizen than the US. So far i read US 6000/ citizen / year, Germany 3000/ citizen / year. And of course someone still paid for the healthcare.

If you google for Stats you see that you could easy insure anyone for the same money that you spend now, but you have to regulate the system and of course some pay. At sample a Hospital Doctor in germany earn way less than a Hospital Doctor in the USA.

Usual its a scandal that you have the most expensive system without free treatment for anyone.... and for myself i had a heart operation with 19, good that i am not born in the USA

I think the government should provide me with everything I ever need, and I don't care who they steal from to provide for me.

Cliffs:

Left Wing = Ideology of Envy and Sloth


Right Wing = Ideology of Pride and Greed

Can you give any sort of evidence that you can achieve better healthcare without government intervention (aside from just stating it as an axiom of your belief system).

What on earth? Where is this slippery slope argument coming from? People want government healthcare therefore they must also want a free iPhone and a pony? This is no argument at all.

Also, the taxation = theft meme requires a very loose definition of the word theft. It doesn't help your case and makes you sound like a nutter.

i'm an oil man

I don't think a lot of people realize that it will be basically against the law to not have health insurance in 2014. So get ready to cough out some dough whether you like it (or want it) or not.

About half of NHS employees feel overstretched. They are wrong. They are also free to leave the industry if they dont like it.

By definition the medical industry will never be comfortable, its a stressful job with long hours but the only significant figures are ability to attract staff, waiting lists and some measure of successful outcomes. All of which the NHS is perfectly good to excellent at.

As for the second bit, you realise that "for some reason" lots of people from any country on earth dont just walk into the NHS for healthcare. I mean, surprising i know, but whilst 7 billion people could get emergency care if they travel all the way to Britain they dont.

The point is they only offer "free" treatment of emergencies or things that directly effect others.

Its a pathetic argument to say the NHS is bad because it treats people in emergencies. Pathetic as a viewpoint on how others should be treated and pathetic in that it has no real world application as an argument because its been this way for three generations and yet its still never bankrupted the country.

So you are obviously clueless as to Britains current financial state.

Putting aside your biased posts, can you now say why you are so pro government healthcare?

bahbamickey is supposedly a wealth advisor who didn't understand how marginal tax rates work. Mostly he's just an indefatigable talking point spewing machine.

Why don't you ask seniors? They've been around a long time and seen a few things, and will fight to the death to keep their Medicare.

Or you can just pay the tax penalty to offset the fact that you're already free-loading on the system. Sorry the free-ride is over. (well unless the republicans crank it back up again)