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04-20-2015 , 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by bobman0330
Does the situation in Yemen jeopardize political stability in Saudi Arabia or the Persian Gulf enough that we need to be on the same side as AQAP vis-a-vis the Houthis? I am very skeptical.
I don't know. They are attacking Saudi Arabia, but I think far more important is the effect this conflict could have on internal dissent in SA.
04-20-2015 , 11:55 AM
I wish Euroland would officially become one country so that the multi-national global capitalist empire would no longer popularly equate to the USA.
04-20-2015 , 11:59 AM
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04-20-2015 , 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by microbet
I don't know. They are attacking Saudi Arabia, but I think far more important is the effect this conflict could have on internal dissent in SA.
Isn't Saudi Arabia attacking them more than the reverse? Is having a small, dirt-poor Shiite-governed state on their border really a problem for the Saudis? They're already dealing with a Shiite Iraq, which is a bit more influential than some tattered Yemeni tribesmen.

It seems like we run the risk of becoming lackeys to the Saudis if we feel compelled to support every morally repugnant decision they make because we need to prop up repressive Wahhibism because we are concerned about oil exports at a time even when the price of oil is very low.
04-20-2015 , 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
I wish Euroland would officially become one country so that the multi-national global capitalist empire would no longer popularly equate to the USA.
The USA is the primary beneficiary and enforcer. The USA has all the guns and everyone uses our currency or else.

Also notice I'm not arguing that USA citizens run the 1worldempire. It is an has always been about money. They could care less if they torpedo the usa economy and people, just like they did to the brits when they were 'loaned' a metric ton of money in wwii and then left living in the corner room of their son's house when it was all done.
04-20-2015 , 12:04 PM
What's the second map?

Look at the details on the first. Many of those countries are democratic allies where it's absurd to call them part of an empire. Many countries have like <20 US Military members, it's a search and rescue team, a radar or weather station. The map in and of itself is. ..propaganda.
04-20-2015 , 12:07 PM
Also not included are all of the slaves to the IMF where we don't have any troops but some 3rd world dictator executes dissidents on our behalf. It's not perfect, want me to make my own map and do a case by case analysis of every country in the world? No thanks.

The 2nd one is the british empire at who cares what point in time. The idea is the same.
04-20-2015 , 12:16 PM
It would be far more true to characterize the global influence of capitalism and international organizations like the IMF as "The West." Per capita, Germany, The UK, The Netherlands etc are similarly influential.

Per county, China will be right up there soon and may be more influential as their investments come with fewer strings attached.
04-20-2015 , 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by bobman0330
Isn't Saudi Arabia attacking them more than the reverse? Is having a small, dirt-poor Shiite-governed state on their border really a problem for the Saudis? They're already dealing with a Shiite Iraq, which is a bit more influential than some tattered Yemeni tribesmen.

It seems like we run the risk of becoming lackeys to the Saudis if we feel compelled to support every morally repugnant decision they make because we need to prop up repressive Wahhibism because we are concerned about oil exports at a time even when the price of oil is very low.
Yes, I think Saudi Arabia views an Iranian proxy group taking control of Yemen as a problem. This isn't really just Sunni vs Shia. A lot of what happens in the region is SA vs Iran maneuvering. This is part of an overall struggle for regional dominance. Iran wants to dominate the region. SA wants to control and influence whatever they can, too. They really want to repel the Iranians.
04-20-2015 , 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
It would be far more true to characterize the global influence of capitalism and international organizations like the IMF as "The West." Per capita, Germany, The UK, The Netherlands etc are similarly influential.

Per county, China will be right up there soon and may be more influential as their investments come with fewer strings attached.
Not saying your point is totally invalid, but how many wars did we start and how many did they? When was the last time the Netherlands was like 'this atrocity has gone on long enough' then we were like 'only cause we are such close friends.' I can think of a few occasions where the French have some colonial expeditions like this but we enter into a new conflict every year.

China's strategy has always been and will always be a nonviolent one. They posture a lot, but their game plan is to laydown and let the USA put their **** in her *****. We fell for it hook line and sinker, cause the banksters could care less how many people are employed making widgets in the usa.

I'm really that educated on economics, although it does't seem to stop me from talking about politics lol, but there are some argument that China's growth will not continue at its current rate.
04-20-2015 , 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by joeyDizzle
Yes, I think Saudi Arabia views an Iranian proxy group taking control of Yemen as a problem. This isn't really just Sunni vs Shia. A lot of what happens in the region is SA vs Iran maneuvering. This is part of an overall struggle for regional dominance. Iran wants to dominate the region. SA wants to control and influence whatever they can, too. They really want to repel the Iranians.
The question is not whether it furthers SA's geopolitical goals to dominate Yemen. Clearly they think so. The question is whether failing to dominate Yemen will destabilize SA in some way that harms US interests. That's a harder sell.
04-20-2015 , 12:53 PM
Don't have time for much.

I don't support being SA's lackey, but their impact on the global economy is just something to consider for everyone. (Western Europe would be hurt more than the USA)

Do many double standards. Like arms sales is a measure of US imperialism, but per capita, France, Russia, Germany, and The Netherlands all sell as much or more arms as the US.
04-20-2015 , 12:58 PM
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/n...ers-per-capita

This is pretty meh evidence imo
04-20-2015 , 03:22 PM
Fwiw, I think we (internationally really) should disengage (militarily and oil dependence) from the ME and run entirely on renewable energy as soon as is reasonably possible and maybe selling arms internationally should be much more limited.
04-20-2015 , 04:31 PM
+++++++
04-30-2015 , 02:28 PM
Saudis apparently bombing civilian infrastructure to make absolutely sure the Houthis don't get any food or anything.
05-04-2015 , 01:09 PM
Saudis reportedly using U.S.-provided cluster bombs near civilian targets in U.S.-supported bombing campaign.
05-04-2015 , 01:21 PM
By provided, you mean they bought them from American companies, right?

The US position on this issue is really not relevant here. The US sells arms to SA.
05-04-2015 , 07:01 PM
middle east should be a one state solution. democratic rights for houthis and Iranians and Saudis obv. #yemeniapartheid #endtheoccupation
05-05-2015 , 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Regret$
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Is that first map seriously claiming Russia, China, Brazil, India, and ****ing Vietnam as part of the current American empire?


GTFO with that bull****.
05-05-2015 , 03:32 PM
Yeah, the military deployment=empire thing is atrociously disingenuous.
05-06-2015 , 01:37 AM
Are they counting marines on embassy duty?

      
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