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Old 06-16-2012, 04:00 PM   #4951
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Re: Wisconsin Governor deploys "nuclear option" and takes on public unions.

2 + 2 union argument progression:

1. Someone cites a case of a union being retarded
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4. rjoefish says 'the law is this'
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7. Person says yeah, herp derp, still retarded then disappears from thread
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Old 06-16-2012, 04:16 PM   #4952
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Re: Wisconsin Governor deploys "nuclear option" and takes on public unions.

Why don't you want to pay more taxes so that teachers can have even greater compensation
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Old 06-16-2012, 04:29 PM   #4953
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Re: Wisconsin Governor deploys "nuclear option" and takes on public unions.

everyone involved from the union leaders to the "job creators" to the politicians are all scumbags and out for their best interest

what can you do
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Old 06-16-2012, 05:13 PM   #4954
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Re: Wisconsin Governor deploys "nuclear option" and takes on public unions.

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2 + 2 union argument progression:

1. Someone cites a case of a union being retarded
2. rjoefish nonetheless defends said union
3. Person reiterates that union was being retarded
4. rjoefish says 'the law is this'
5. Person again reiterates that regardless of the law the union was being retarded
6. rjoefish continues citing laws and regulations to defend the union
7. Person says yeah, herp derp, still retarded then disappears from thread
A lot of this thread isn't even about a union doing a specific thing and more about people not knowing how things work on a basic level. Having to represent non members is a good example IMO.
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Old 06-16-2012, 06:30 PM   #4955
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Why don't you want to pay more taxes so that teachers can have even greater compensation
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also lolikes
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Old 06-16-2012, 07:57 PM   #4956
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Re: Wisconsin Governor deploys "nuclear option" and takes on public unions.

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2 + 2 union argument progression:

1. Someone cites a case of a union being retarded
2. rjoefish nonetheless defends said union
3. Person reiterates that union was being retarded
4. rjoefish says 'the law is this'
5. Person again reiterates that regardless of the law the union was being retarded
6. rjoefish continues citing laws and regulations to defend the union
7. Person says yeah, herp derp, still retarded then disappears from thread
Hmmm, not quite. Rjoe talks **** about some union activities.
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Old 06-23-2012, 08:40 AM   #4957
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I'll say it again: Boeing easily could have moved their plant with no problems if they hadn't gone about it in the most retarded way possible (which in the end didn't matter because they got their plant in SC anyways).
Cmon this is pure spin. The NLRB had no case and they knew it. Better to throw in the towel and minimize the political impact of their, the NLRRBs, complete screw up.
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Old 06-24-2012, 03:23 AM   #4958
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Governor Scott Walker introduced a budget fix proposal a few days ago that has schools and public facilities in Madison shut down today as the unions protest in front of the Capitol.

Highlights of this bill include making union employees contribute 5.8% of their pay to their pension, up from 0%, and to pay 12.6% of their insurance premiums, up from about 6%.

In addition, he plans to effectively end collective bargaining rights for the unions for anything not directly related to base salaries. In addition, negotiated salary increases would not be allowed to increase beyond the rate of inflation as indicated by the consumer price index unless the taxpayers allowed it in a ballot referendum.

More highlights can be found here.


Democratic Senator Spencer Coggs from my wonderful hometown of Milwaukee has this to say about it:




My response? /facepalm.jpg


Slavery, Mr. Coggs? Really? Slavery?!



60% of the teachers in Madison called in sick today, cancelling classes and many are currently camped out in sleeping bags after a 17 hour public hearing on this.

A large portion of the state's unionized workforce is pissed because all of these things will not apply to police, firefighter, and state patrol unions. They are of course claiming unfairness. Walker came right out and explained why he chose to exempt the public safety sector -- I'll paraphrase:

"If the rest of you cause an illegal work-stoppage, I'll just replace you. However, I can't replace the entire police/firefighting force overnight so their reform will have to wait."





This picture is making its way around the union blogs and websites. Some say in an effort to try and get Egypt-like protests going to stop Walker in his tracks and force him to renege on his plan.

Other national pundits are watching what's happening in Wisconsin and wishfully thinking about how this might create a domino effect across the country and have other states take on their over privileged unions in similar fashion.


Has anyone else heard about the good things happening here in Wisconsin? Could we be witnessing the start of a national movement? Scott Walker is a rock star for conservatives here in Wisconsin. He's the real deal.

When this bill passes (and it will), what message will it send to public unions across the country?


The streets have been filled with union tears for the past week, and I'm loving every minute of it because the public is basically telling them to STFU. Even with these measures put in place, they STILL pay about half for their healthcare compared to what the national average for public workers is. And they're being asked to contribute to their pensions for the first time ever. Who the hell gets a pension anymore these days? This doesn't begin to address the overall compensation gap between public/private workers, nor does it deal with the inability for bad workers to get fired.

But I predict that Walker isn't done yet. Wisconsin is living in exciting times considering what we had to go through with Diamond Jim Doyle for the past 8 years.
Those ****ing public unions were a plague on WI.

Good riddance to the socialist thugs.
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Old 06-24-2012, 10:24 AM   #4959
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Those ****ing public unions were a plague on WI.

Good riddance to the socialist thugs.
since when unions owns industries ?
im a socialist because i want more money ?
unions only means fighting has group, because i know i have more chance to win being a group than being alone .
what socialism about that ?
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Old 06-24-2012, 11:13 AM   #4960
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since when unions owns industries ?
Well poster mentioned public worker unions not private sector unions. Having a private sector union with a large equity stake in companies where their members are employed isn't necessarily a bad thing. A public sector union having undue influence over govt affairs is quite another thing. People can debate what constitutes "undue influence."

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im a socialist because i want more money ?
No, not necessarily.

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Not necessarily.

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what socialism about that ?
private sector unions != public sector unions.
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Old 06-24-2012, 12:10 PM   #4961
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Re: Wisconsin Governor deploys "nuclear option" and takes on public unions.

unions, wether being private or public have no corrolation to the "state socialism " wich means industries belonging to the states.

there is a lot socialist branchs, even libertarian socialist .

just bugs me unions are falsely accused of lot of things wich basically they arent.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_ownership

"Particularly in the United States, the term "socialization" has been mistakenly used to refer to any state or government-owned industry or service (the proper term for such being either nationalization or Municipalization). It has also been applied to any tax-funded programs, whether privately run or government-run. The term "socialized" is usually used in a pejorative sense, most commonly in reference to publicly funded health care programs (See: socialized medicine)[9].

It is important to note that in economic and Marxist terminology, publicly funded or even state-run, universal healthcare services would not constitute a "socialist" industry because the employees and workers do not own their means of production and participate in the management of their enterprise. Furthermore, a majority of universal healthcare programs in existence are publicly subsidized, privately-owned health and pharmaceutical firms that operate for a profit".

ps: imo socialism today = "Modern social democracy can also be considered "state capitalism" because the means of production are almost universally the private property of business owners, and production is carried out for exchange rather than directly for use."

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Old 06-24-2012, 02:24 PM   #4962
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Re: Wisconsin Governor deploys "nuclear option" and takes on public unions.

Adios, you should have kept reading, you would have seen me say:

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It's not impeding them in any way if they just don't make it painfully obvious what they're doing. The NLRB opened an investigation and by almost all accounts if Boeing hadn't addressed it in the contract with the union there wasn't much the NLRB was going to be able to do about it.
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Old 06-25-2012, 09:07 AM   #4963
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Adios, you should have kept reading, you would have seen me say:
Not in the post I responded to. I quoted the whole post. No matter what you said afterword it doesn't change at all that the post you made that I quoted is pure spin.

Anyway your implication tha a Boeing management screw up brought on the NLRB action is BS. The NLRB could have easily tied up Boeing in court but it was obvious that it was a loser politically and legally.

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Old 06-25-2012, 11:12 AM   #4964
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It's not BS to say management's screw up brought on the investigation, it's the truth

It's also not spin. If they hadn't told a newspaper they were doing it because of past strikes none of the NLRB stuff ever happens
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Old 09-14-2012, 06:03 PM   #4965
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Re: Wisconsin Governor deploys "nuclear option" and takes on public unions.

Judge disagrees. Lol Walker. No anti-union law for you.
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