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Why won't the authorities call the NYC bombings "terrorism"? Why won't the authorities call the NYC bombings "terrorism"?

09-21-2016 , 12:35 PM
You do all realize that Allthose stats are extremely disengenuus because they are only estimating deaths from refugees. I am sure the vast majority islamic terrorism is perpetuated by non refugees.

Thiis a very good example of both how the liberal media operates. Half truths and obfuscation to tell the narrative they want to. I am sure whoever made those cute little stats charts has a number for the actual risk of us being killed by Islamic terrorism, but that stat doesn't fit the narrative.
09-21-2016 , 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Quick_Ben
You do all realize that Allthose stats are extremely disengenuus because they are only estimating deaths from refugees. I am sure the vast majority islamic terrorism is perpetuated by non refugees.

Thiis a very good example of both how the liberal media operates. Half truths and obfuscation to tell the narrative they want to. I am sure whoever made those cute little stats charts has a number for the actual risk of us being killed by Islamic terrorism, but that stat doesn't fit the narrative.
What narrative?

You're afraid of refugees, PETRIFIED especially of Muslim refugees and their potential for acts of terror. In fact, your fear is SO GREAT that you want them banned indefinitely!

Yet, as you can see, the chance that you fall victim to an act of terror by a refugee is infinitesimal. It's practically as close to non existent as it gets.

Soooooooo...again, why are you so afraid??????
09-21-2016 , 01:17 PM
If it's not an irrational fear of Islam (...in other words 'Islamophobia', but shhhhhhhh this is a safe space), then what is it?
09-21-2016 , 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by florentinopeces
This is not at all obvious. Most muslim immigrants to the US are leaving behind fundamentalism and extremism. The potential terrorists among them are probably at least as dilute as the potential terrorists in the native US population (the mcveighs). Their presence may actually directly reduce the possibility of terrorism, on a per capita basis. Don't forget that all those columbine type killers are just as much terrorists as some guy that blows up a pressure cooker; one gets called a terrorist and the other a troubled youth for political reasons, not because the root causes are all that different (extreme social alienation coupled with psycopathy).

Also, it's worth keepin in mind that, compared to other rich nations (e.g. all of europe), the US has very few muslims, around 1% of its population.

Also, the US has one of the harshest immigration regimes in the developed world (in that it's hard to enter).

Finally, the minute you start discriminating against immigrants on the basis of religion or ideology you have basically conceded that the american dream is a farce and freedom of religion is bull****. I'm among those who think that's how it has been for a long time, but not everyone wants to give up on the goal.
Pretty sure you lost EYESCREW halfway through the first sentence. Blah blah - I know in my gut what's happening.
09-21-2016 , 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by tomdemaine
Not that facts and reality matter to a trump supporter obviously but







If you're too pant-wettingly scared to have some delicious skittles because 3 in that bowl will kill you then stay away from muslims you giant fraidy cat. Don't try and take our skittles away from us just because you are a wickle scared babby.
Chiefsplanet needs to see this. Reposted.
09-21-2016 , 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by DudeImBetter
What narrative?

You're afraid of refugees, PETRIFIED especially of Muslim refugees and their potential for acts of terror. In fact, your fear is SO GREAT that you want them banned indefinitely!

Yet, as you can see, the chance that you fall victim to an act of terror by a refugee is infinitesimal. It's practically as close to non existent as it gets.

Soooooooo...again, why are you so afraid??????
They're terrified because propaganda works. It's worked the same way since the invention of the civilization. Play on the fear centers of the ingroup to demonize and dehumanize the outgroup.





“Just as it is often hard to tell a toadstool from an edible mushroom, so too it is often very hard to recognize the Jew as a swindler and criminal...”
09-23-2016 , 01:09 AM
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Originally Posted by vhawk01
And while the giant bowl graphic is a nice way of showing how dumb they are, it's a little bit disingenuous right. You imply that the only harm they care about is specifically that they themselves will specifically be killed by an act deemed terrorism. But that's PRPBABLY not the only actual concern. They probably also care about their kids for example. And maybe even a few other human beings. And they probably care about injured or otherwise less directly impacted. Or the financial costs of a terrorist attack. So now we've scaled that down quite a bit right? It's not a swimming pool any more. It's still probably quite a big bowl though.

Plus it implies that you are actually willing to have a serious risk tolerance discussion with these people. What if things change a bit? Terrorism is rare. It wouldn't take a massive change in conditions for the risks of terrorism to change dramatically. Are you willing to entertain a ban if we get to some tipping point? I'm not, so I would personally find it dishonest of me to really debate such a person on those terms.
Yep, I'm with you here. The threat is relatively small, and I think the benefits to the refugees themselves as well as to our strategic "war on terror" of letting in as many as we can far out way risk of death by terrorism, today. That calculus changes the moment the extremists figure out how to weaponize plague or slip in a dirty bomb. Those potential threats are not just neocon agitprop, sadly.
09-23-2016 , 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by DudeImBetter
What narrative?

You're afraid of refugees, PETRIFIED especially of Muslim refugees and their potential for acts of terror. In fact, your fear is SO GREAT that you want them banned indefinitely!

Yet, as you can see, the chance that you fall victim to an act of terror by a refugee is infinitesimal. It's practically as close to non existent as it gets.

Soooooooo...again, why are you so afraid??????


why dont you stand and say those things to the people who had their limbs blown off?

"oh well statistically you were more likely to die on the way to the race, so why does it matter?"

how many people need to die from isis or islamic radicals before it becomes a problem to you

"According to FBI interrogators, Dzhokhar and his brother were motivated by extremist Islamic beliefs, but "were not connected to any known terrorist groups"; instead learning to build explosive weapons from an online magazine published by al-Qaeda affiliates in Yemen"

a lot of you guys seemed more concern about letting immigrants in than security of our country
09-23-2016 , 01:47 AM
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Originally Posted by DudeImBetter
What narrative?

You're afraid of refugees, PETRIFIED especially of Muslim refugees and their potential for acts of terror. In fact, your fear is SO GREAT that you want them banned indefinitely!

Yet, as you can see, the chance that you fall victim to an act of terror by a refugee is infinitesimal. It's practically as close to non existent as it gets.

Soooooooo...again, why are you so afraid??????
"Terrorism" comes from the French word terrorisme,[6] and originally referred specifically to state terrorism as practiced by the French government during the 1793–1794 Reign of Terror. The French word terrorisme in turn derives from the Latin verb terrere (e, terreo) meaning "to frighten"

its good that you are able to look at the statistics and be so smart to not be afraid of a group of people who are willing to bomb our most innocent events and people based on their religious beliefs

but the main reason they do these events is to SCARE PEOPLE.
09-23-2016 , 01:51 AM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
They're terrified because propaganda works. It's worked the same way since the invention of the civilization. Play on the fear centers of the ingroup to demonize and dehumanize the outgroup.





“Just as it is often hard to tell a toadstool from an edible mushroom, so too it is often very hard to recognize the Jew as a swindler and criminal...”
its good you found some really scary anti jew propaganda to drive home that point. i will actually see more in the news about how you are more likely to die from insert x than terrorism, so which side is really filling the airwaves with stuff to control peoples thoughts

its almost as you guys are talking as if you care about some verbal islamaphobia as a bigger deal than the people who just got killed in NJ, Minnesota and NY
09-23-2016 , 01:58 AM
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Originally Posted by VarianceMinefield
its almost as you guys are talking as if you care about some verbal islamaphobia as a bigger deal than the people who just got killed in NJ, Minnesota and NY
Who just got killed in NJ, Minnesota and NY?
09-23-2016 , 02:02 AM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Who just got killed in NJ, Minnesota and NY?
ah, i shouldve said attempted murders and stabbings. they wanted to kill people, is what is important in my point and they did stab
09-23-2016 , 02:04 AM
Just here to point out that as usual, you have no idea what the **** you're talking about but are still here to educate the class about the insane ramblings based on falsehoods that take place in your head anyway.
09-23-2016 , 02:07 AM
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Originally Posted by VarianceMinefield
i will actually see more in the news about how you are more likely to die from insert x than terrorism, so which side is really filling the airwaves with stuff to control peoples thoughts
"which side is really trying to control everyone's thoughts, huh?"

I guess one way to shut that liberal thought-control **** down is to somehow come down with the belief that a bunch of people died at the hands of terrorists in Minnesota, New York, and New Jersey recently? That'll show them!
09-23-2016 , 02:07 AM
my main point is, i lived very close to that attack on the boston marathon and it was a bigger deal than the numbers you want to use on how many people die from terrorism vs other things

the city was shut down for days as they looked for the suspects. terrorist attacks do more than just kill people. its a way to try to scare the city and mocking people because the statistics say you shouldnt be scared of terrorists doesnt actually do anything
09-23-2016 , 02:09 AM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Just here to point out that as usual, you have no idea what the **** you're talking about but are still here to educate the class about the insane ramblings based on falsehoods that take place in your head anyway.
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
"which side is really trying to control everyone's thoughts, huh?"

I guess one way to shut that liberal thought-control **** down is to somehow come down with the belief that a bunch of people died at the hands of terrorists in Minnesota, New York, and New Jersey recently? That'll show them!
you are a evil guy. you dont care about diversity of thought.

you even exiled the people who wanted to vote trump into another forum.

i made a mistake in my posting, which i corrected
09-23-2016 , 02:11 AM
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Originally Posted by VarianceMinefield
my main point is, i lived very close to that attack on the boston marathon
Oh that's your main point? A minute ago, when you thought people had died in recent terror attacks in Minnesota, New Jersey, and New York, your main point was that the liberal media is lying to everyone and trying to tell them it's okay when people are DYING IN THE STREETS, but since your main point was based on total lies I guess we have a different main point now.

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Originally Posted by VarianceMinefield
you even exiled the people who wanted to vote trump into another forum.
Does being absolutely wrong about everything ever get tiring for you? I'm starting to think you enjoy it.
09-23-2016 , 02:12 AM
goofy, there is no point in talking to you. you dont want to have a conversation obviously, you just want to insult me, so just go away and bully someone else
09-23-2016 , 02:17 AM
No, I don't want to have a conversation, I want to shame you into reading a ****ing book or newspaper and actually learning something about the world. Hell, make it the Wall Street Journal for all I care, basing your arguments on the things you read in there would still be a massive upgrade over "first google result from random right-wing hate site that justifies what VMF already thought".
09-23-2016 , 02:18 AM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
No, I don't want to have a conversation, I want to shame you into reading a ****ing book or newspaper and actually learning something about the world. Hell, make it the Wall Street Journal for all I care, basing your arguments on the things you read in there would still be a massive upgrade over "first google result from random right-wing hate site that justifies what VMF already thought".
why dont you read the book clinton cash and then get back to me

https://www.amazon.com/Clinton-Cash-.../dp/0062369288

i also didnt use any right wing site just now, you are just attacking me because i spoke incorrectly about the recent terrorist attacks, just using a slip up to bully me
09-23-2016 , 02:27 AM
The allegations in that book are troubling, but in this election Clinton is running against someone who, in addition to his other faults but talking specifically about potential bribery/corruption:
- illegally paid off Florida's AG to shut down an investigation into Trump University with a campaign donation from his charity foundation
- illegally used his charity foundation to pay fines and penalties to the government, despite the fact that he claims to be a billionaire and should have been able to pay them with his own money instead of the money people donated to his charity
- has used millions of dollars of campaign money to pay off his own businesses for personal enrichment

Additionally, all of these things have more evidence supporting them than the allegations against Hillary.

If corruption and money are important issues to you, the above should be immensely troubling. Why do you support Donald Trump?
09-23-2016 , 02:33 AM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
The allegations in that book are troubling, but in this election Clinton is running against someone who, in addition to his other faults but talking specifically about potential bribery/corruption:
- illegally paid off Florida's AG to shut down an investigation into Trump University with a campaign donation from his charity foundation
- illegally used his charity foundation to pay fines and penalties to the government, despite the fact that he claims to be a billionaire and should have been able to pay them with his own money instead of the money people donated to his charity
- has used millions of dollars of campaign money to pay off his own businesses for personal enrichment

Additionally, all of these things have more evidence supporting them than the allegations against Hillary.

If corruption and money are important issues to you, the above should be immensely troubling. Why do you support Donald Trump?
i dont support donald trump, if i was a celeb, i wouldnt endorse either of them

i came into the politics the other thread the other day to brag about some bet i made. the only reason you guys associate me with donald is cause ive made some slightly prejudiced posts against muslims with my talk about huma being suspicious

i apoligized for it

i do admit to having some concerns about islam and what the religion stands for, i also believe in freedom of religion, and live and let live, dont do anything you wouldnt want done to yourself

if jews were coming to our country and some of them were stabbing in the name of judiasm, i would be fine with our law enforcement profiling jews

edit: ive also NEVER supported a ban on muslims entering our country, but i think talking about our immigration policies isnt racist. america is not under any obligation to accept people from countries highly radicalized
09-23-2016 , 03:42 AM
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Originally Posted by FoldnDark
Yep, I'm with you here. The threat is relatively small, and I think the benefits to the refugees themselves as well as to our strategic "war on terror" of letting in as many as we can far out way risk of death by terrorism, today. That calculus changes the moment the extremists figure out how to weaponize plague or slip in a dirty bomb. Those potential threats are not just neocon agitprop, sadly.
I really wanted to leave you alone but, yes, a dirty bomb is 98% neocon agitprop.
09-23-2016 , 03:46 AM
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Originally Posted by VarianceMinefield
my main point is, i lived very close to that attack on the boston marathon and it was a bigger deal than the numbers you want to use on how many people die from terrorism vs other things

the city was shut down for days as they looked for the suspects. terrorist attacks do more than just kill people. its a way to try to scare the city and mocking people because the statistics say you shouldnt be scared of terrorists doesnt actually do anything
09-23-2016 , 04:08 AM
White supremacists kill us more and want to fundamentally change America. Maybe we should look at European countries who have white supremacists populations and figure things out before we let any in.

      
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