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Why Not A National Free Internet University? Why Not A National Free Internet University?

05-22-2016 , 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
You gain something in efficiency (but nowhere near as much as you think, massive online courses still take a tonne of work and it doesn't scale as nice as you might think - still have to have reasonable student to teacher ratios for instance). But having a homogenized identical system for all the (largely poor) students in a country of 100 million people is a really bad idea. You want diversity. You want things taught in different ways in differnet places, to have different cultures formed, and the like. At the very least you would want to start statewide to see how it works at that level before going nation wide. And this is all on the assumption that you can make a purely online system that employers will value and provides an actually comparable education and not a sort of dual class poor people get the ****ty free online product no employer values, rich people go to proper universities.
Citations needed, you teach at the college level right?
05-22-2016 , 05:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
I don't think it's a bad idea over the long term, but completely overhauling a system that --for all its faults-- does a great job for something completely new is something that really has to be implemented slowly and carefully.
Where did he call for overhauling it? Try applying the phrase "in addition to" and as LowKey points out online courses, online curriculums, and online degrees are already a thing. It is happening already on a large scale which includes at some very highly regarded institutions of learning and there is a lot of free online, decent courses offered in Computer Science anyway already.
05-22-2016 , 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by PokerJunkie00
It really isn't BS. If America didn't make the gains it made under capitalism and all the technology, innovations, and inventions we produced what do you think your healthcare would be like in Europe? You'd probably be a couple steps further along from doctors using leeches.

Lots of people don't have access to basic stuff. Like people in Bangladesh and sub Sahara Africa. I'm supposed to care about some random dudes healthcare or schooling in Oregon who I will never know in a country where it is fairly easy to make it over someone in real dire straits in Mozambique? If the government is going to force money out of me at least send it to someone with no opportunity.


I really dont know how the % of taxes people pay in the US. But here we donīt pay 90% or some **** like that as you may think.

Where is the money spend? Where they spend your money of the little ?!!? taxes?

Wars?

Roads?

IDK

US itīs rich...

Donīt understand how itīs impossible to have free education. Itīs not like here is free, but itīs accessible, like 100€ month @ university, and if you be poor state give you money to pay that and survive.

And health itīs free...

Are you saying that if US had education free and healthcare US could not be great and invent that stuff, technology and so?
Why not?
05-22-2016 , 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
Wouldn't that be easier to get approved, cheaper, and usually a better education than Bernie's idea?
The government should concentrate on organising a range of high quality qualifications, examinations and testing facilities available at a very reasonable cost to anybody (free would be great). There could be prerequisite qualifications but no requirement to do any courses.

That would separate the link between paying to be educated and getting the qualification. The internet and market will do much of the rest though I'm also in favour of the government funding the education part as well.

Obviously it's not going to help for some of the more practical stuff.
05-22-2016 , 10:47 AM
PokerJunkie- Didn't you got to Arizona State University?
05-22-2016 , 11:00 AM
"I didn't get put on this Earth to care about your well being" is just about the saddest mantra for living that anybody can have.


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05-22-2016 , 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by PokerJunkie00
Remember, America became what America became by the early 20th century surpassing everyone and becoming the greatest country in the history of the earth had ever seen in a little over 100 years with virtually no government involvement in education.
Lol no. Government spending for math and science research at US universities was a big part of the US becoming the greatest country ever.
05-22-2016 , 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by adios
Citations needed, you teach at the college level right?
Lol at citations needed, but yes I teach university math
05-22-2016 , 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Zimmer4141
"I didn't get put on this Earth to care about your well being" is just about the saddest mantra for living that anybody can have.


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What do you expect from people whose study of political philosophy consists entirely of hearing about one Ayn Rand book?
05-22-2016 , 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
PokerJunkie- Didn't you got to Arizona State University?
Please say it isn't so.
05-22-2016 , 01:19 PM
The general concept is good - education is basically the internet's wheelhouse. Information dissemination is so easy now that anyone can essentially get a college education for free. I think the primary value of college now is just the degree itself as an employment requirement, and networking.

Given this it's BS how college costs keep rising, and free college will just continue to increase the total amount spent on education in the country.

The biggest problem will be in getting employers to treat the degree as valid. If people aren't hiring the internet graduates, then the smart play for students will still be to borrow to get the "real" degrees, and that will just reinforce employers treating the internet graduates as lesser quality.
05-22-2016 , 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
Lol at citations needed, but yes I teach university math
LOL at assertions you made your post as being some sort of basis in fact backed up by any quantifiable data.
05-22-2016 , 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by adios
LOL at assertions you made your post as being some sort of basis in fact backed up by any quantifiable data.
WTF is wrong with you? Like there are dozens of people ITT offering their opinions on a range of things without going and getting "quantifiable data" and your not pulling this crap with them. Yes I shared my opinion on a few points based on my own experiences like the idea that we don't want a homogenized one sized fits all solution for every poor person in the country, that diversity is good. But I'm not going to go write a ****ing research paper on it backed up by quantifiable data. Do your own damned googling if you are so interested.

My goodness.
05-22-2016 , 04:30 PM
By the way, although I didn't have many specific details in mind, I did assume that one thing a national university could offer that others couldn't, would be something like once a week lectures by world class authorities/teachers in all the subjects one might be taking.
05-22-2016 , 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerJunkie00
I'm not saying public money in education is some lost cause and doesn't have its benefits. But that is a far cry from footing the bill for every American to go to college which is just pure insanity.
Footing the bill for any / every interested American 12th grader: Great policy, no issues what so ever.

Footing the bill for any / every American 13th grader: PURE INSANITY, THE HUMANITY!!1!
05-22-2016 , 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by DudeImBetter
Footing the bill for any / every interested American 12th grader: Great policy, no issues what so ever!
Yeah, great policy. Totally. Let's make college free so it can be just as worthless as a high school "education."
05-22-2016 , 11:47 PM
Providing free college education isn't the answer to whatever problem you think you are solving.

Last edited by esad; 05-22-2016 at 11:52 PM.
05-22-2016 , 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerJunkie00
Yeah, great policy. Totally. Let's make college free so it can be just as worthless as a high school "education."
I don't think we can place all the blame for the way you turned out on public education.
05-23-2016 , 12:08 AM
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Originally Posted by zikzak
I don't think we can place all the blame for the way you turned out on public education.
Reading proficiency was s lot better before the government got involved in education.

I like the CPS teachers wanting a raise when only 20% of 8th graders are reading proficient there.
05-23-2016 , 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by PokerJunkie00
Reading proficiency was s lot better before the government got involved in education.

I like the CPS teachers wanting a raise when only 20% of 8th graders are reading proficient there.
Are you saying that Americans, as a whole, were better readers before the advent of free, public education?
05-23-2016 , 02:07 AM
The studying and lecturing can be done online.

But there has to be tests in live designated test sites in all States. Tests can be all multiple choice and the students can mark their answers on iPad looking tablets provided in the designated test sites.

Picture election day. But instead of people voting, you see see students walk into open test taking booths.

Quarterly tests. Halfway tests. Can be done in the above locations.

Ordinary quizzes can be done from home.

Without live official testing its just another online school. Not legit.
05-23-2016 , 02:22 AM
you can already get more or less a college education entirely online. It just doesn't actually count.
05-23-2016 , 02:25 AM
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Originally Posted by vixticator
you can already get more or less a college education entirely online. It just doesn't actually count.
I think that donīt count on market too.
I saw this topic yesterday and i take a formation in 1hour, have the free pdf "certificate".
Now all courses\formations online in all sites they want money for certificate .
Take that last one free, cos i registed in Dec.15.
Nice i see this topic and finish. Was about EU.
05-23-2016 , 07:36 AM
I'm trying to think what word "formation" is supposed to be but coming up empty. Possibly because I just woke up.
05-23-2016 , 08:23 AM
I donīt know. But google put the same result


      
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