Who will run against Trump in 2020? - Page 233 - Politics and Economics

If we could magically remove name recognition and past history from the equation, and I was judging the candidates exclusively on what I've heard from them so far, I'd rank Mayor Pete and Elizabeth Warren far ahead of everyone else. They seem to have the best combination of eloquence, passion, and actual policy ideas.

Of course some of the other candidates have not gotten much coverage yet, so things can change. I like Yang's UBI idea for ex., but for some reason I have a hard time thinking of him as a serious candidate.

03-26-2019 , 01:27 PM

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aflametotheground

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Originally Posted by Paul D

Whoever you think matches your belief the best. Take some time and look at all candidates.

Okay, thanks for the cool reply.

03-26-2019 , 01:41 PM

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aflametotheground

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uuh proud of primaries....uuh republicans....uuh have you read my book?

03-26-2019 , 01:49 PM

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The question may be who do you think has no chance of winning or beating Trump.
Id Say Wang, Warren and Booker have no shot. I even think that about Beto

03-26-2019 , 01:51 PM

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i will never forgive Warren for not endorsing Bernie in 2016. Whether her endorsement would have mattered or not we'll never know. However, she still is my 2nd pick after Bernie in 2020 for preferred next president. I wonder if there is some beef behind the scenes between Warren/Bernie that we don't know about.

03-26-2019 , 01:56 PM

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speaking of endorsements, patiently waiting for AOC to endorse Bernie

03-26-2019 , 02:01 PM

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skydiver8

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This is possibly his best interview yet.

03-26-2019 , 02:07 PM

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aflametotheground

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On this topic i agree with jimmy dore. The Beto fool is expert level at pouring out nonsense. I remember one of his debates with ted cruz where all he did was delivering these wishy washy word salads. Very weak.

Debates start in june i think.

03-26-2019 , 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by imjosh

It could be as simple as Warren was promised or hoping for a cabinet post in the Clinton administration. If she thought that Bernie was a long shot I am okay with some realpolitik.

03-26-2019 , 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by David Sklansky

Why isn't this article in widespread use by people who agree with it?

Why aren't those who agree, making those who disagree with it come up with a refutation?

Good questions. Thanks, David.

03-26-2019 , 02:16 PM

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This is possibly his best interview yet.

Solid interview. I’m on board the Mayor Pete hype train.

03-26-2019 , 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by cuserounder

In this mythical world, has she been in Congress for six years? (Or a mayor of a town of 100,000? Or gained a few years of experience in politics in some way?)

If so, my answer would be probably...? I mean, I'd have to see how she campaigned, what she expressed about all issues, etc. But in this current field, she'd probably be my favorite at the moment and certainly in the top three.

She's authentic and principled, charismatic and electable, and she understands the battle we're in. She's obviously progressive enough for just about anyone - I might want to hear her speak a little bit more on her overall views on the economy and businesses to make sure she's not too far left on that. But from what we know about her now, she'd check all the boxes and be one of my front runners, absolutely.

Right now I can only tell you who I'm leaning toward or who's in my top 3, top 5, etc... It would be irresponsible to have already decided who I'm voting for next year. A lot can happen between now and then.

lol @ the term mythical world. N1 cuse. Got me to chuckle.

For this hypothetical question, AOC has 6 years experience serving in Congress.

I actually see a path for her to the White House.

She becomes mayor of NYC within the next 10 years. Serves 2 terms there, and then boom she’s White House bound.

03-26-2019 , 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by lozen

The question may be who do you think has no chance of winning or beating Trump.
Id Say Wang, Warren and Booker have no shot. I even think that about Beto

Why do you think Booker and Beto have no shot? I think Booker has no shot in the primary, but I think he'd beat Trump easily. I also think Beto has one of the best shots to beat Trump.

That all, of course, assumes a free and fair election which is increasingly unlikely.

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speaking of endorsements, patiently waiting for AOC to endorse Bernie

Waaaaaaay too soon.

03-26-2019 , 02:54 PM

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I don't see that as her path at all. It's her current job -> possibly a Senate run -> presidential run. If she could run right now she'd have a path based on popularity within the party. But I think mayor of NYC would be a step backwards for her in terms of presidential ambitions, by taking her out of the national spotlight... even if the executive experience might be good for the job.

03-26-2019 , 02:55 PM

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I just don't Think Booker would do well in the primary and Trump would bash him as being bought by the drug industry. Beto lost me when he apologized for 8th grade and the comments about his wife. Beto has a great shot to beat Trump its the primary I am not sure he wins.

Wareen can win the Primary but Trump will destroy her

03-26-2019 , 03:41 PM

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I agree about Booker and Beto having a tougher road in the primary. I don't know if Trump of all people can land shots on Booker over healthcare, given he wants to cut the entire ACA, and cut Medicare and Medicaid. Pretty hard for him to land shots on healthcare, I would think.

I do worry about Warren in the general, as I've pointed out before.

03-26-2019 , 03:45 PM

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I don't see that as her path at all. It's her current job -> possibly a Senate run -> presidential run.

Schumer will turn 69 in November. I don't think he will retire in 2020 but retirement in 2024 is a realistic possibility. If she stays this popular she has good chances of succeeding him.

(A presidential run is a long way off. No need to speculate now.)

03-26-2019 , 04:02 PM

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Yeah, hopefully it's not an option for her until 2028...

I doubt Schumer retires any time soon. He's up again in 2022, so probably not before 2028 when he's in his late 70's. But if he does she's a front runner for sure. I also don't know if she'd consider primarying Gillibrand, but it's possible - that would be in 2024.

I mean, she could be bold (crazy) enough to primary Schumer, even.

For her I don't think it's as much about her chances of winning as about what she perceives as the right thing, and I would guess she doesn't view either Schumer or Gillibrand as a great senator for New York.

03-26-2019 , 04:05 PM

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AOC is president by 2032 at the latest.

03-26-2019 , 04:11 PM

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Dominic

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Buttigieg has a real chance of being the new Obama...he's classy, he's sincere, and he's smart. And he's got some good policy ideas, like the step of a single payer before Medicare for all.

03-26-2019 , 04:47 PM

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President Gillibrand's seat will be open in 2020

03-26-2019 , 07:02 PM

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AOC should absolutely primary Schumer in 2022.

03-26-2019 , 07:08 PM

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AOC should absolutely primary Schumer in 2022.

I actually think that would be a pretty big mistake. I don't love her chances, it'll damage her brand if she loses to him, and it'll turn her into an even bigger enemy to the entire party establishment, which means that when she runs for president she's even more likely to have the playing field tilted that much more against her.

On the other hand, the upside if she beats him is massive... But the amount of money he'd raise would be insane.

03-26-2019 , 07:27 PM

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I don’t really care how it happens, but Shumer has to be booted from leadership. He’s bought and paid for by Wall Street, is a terrible strategist, and is exactly the kind of centrist douchebag I’ve completely lost patience for.

03-26-2019 , 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by cuserounder

I'll rephrase: AOC should absolutely look into seeing if she has a shot at primarying Schumer in 2022. If it looks at all promising, she should go for it.

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