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Who will be the next leader of the land of hockey players, seal beaters, and poutine eaters? Who will be the next leader of the land of hockey players, seal beaters, and poutine eaters?

10-19-2015 , 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Shifty86
Why do people think JT and the liberals will be so much better? What has Harper done to get so much hate?
You're really asking?
10-19-2015 , 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Shifty86
Why do people think JT and the liberals will be so much better? What has Harper done to get so much hate?

Everything?

Seriously, though, he's a power-mad, micromanaging ideologue who refuses to listen to evidence (and in fact actively seeks to make evidence unavailable) and has no respect for anyone who dares disagree with him.
10-19-2015 , 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by rafiki
You're really asking?
Not really, more curious why people think Trudeau will be any different.
10-19-2015 , 11:36 PM
Who cares? A random person has a high probability of being better.
10-19-2015 , 11:37 PM
I will say that I respect the fact that Trudeau says things that aren't necessarily good politics but are true. Now that might just be him playing politics - but still better than outright lies and making up of facts.
10-19-2015 , 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Shifty86
Not really, more curious why people think Trudeau will be any different.
Because he has a completely different set of values and priorities from Harper. It's like asking how the Tea Party would be different than Obama.

10-19-2015 , 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by jjshabado
Who cares? A random person has a high probability of being better.
Everyone keeps saying that, I'm looking for some reason or evidence. Maybe even some facts. I'm not a supporter of either I'm just generally curious why people think this.

According to my social media feeds people think trudeau is going to a lot better, Im just looking for a simple run down of why.
10-19-2015 , 11:56 PM
The facts about how Harper runs his administration and how he plays to his specific base are fairly common knowledge.

I mean take for example his comment about marijuana being infinitely worse than tobacco. He knows that's not true but he doesn't care.
10-20-2015 , 12:06 AM
Ok, I get that. He lies because he has an agenda (color me shocked). But sell me on Trudeau, why is he going to be better?

Personally I've had a good last decade and I think any Canadian with half a brain and a oz of work ethic has. So not having followed the campagin Im curious of what's going to change, and why will it be better.
10-20-2015 , 12:10 AM
If you understand the complaints about Harper you'd understand the point that almost anybody else would be better.

To quote Jon Stewart 'If one guy drives me into a ditch and says "Don't worry I can get us out of here" I'll give the keys to a four year old'.

But I get it. You're doing well so who cares about anything else?

Edit: I have issues with a number of the liberal policies but they're still better than most of Harpers. The TFSA increase benefits mostly the wealthy. Same with income splitting. Tax benefits for home owners. Etc. Harpers crime policies are ridiculously bad. Same with his drug policies. Same with his environmental policies. Harper was actively antagonistic with provincial governments that won their own elections.
10-20-2015 , 12:24 AM
mid 50% turnout, that can't be right? what a joke
10-20-2015 , 12:35 AM
Harper definitely alienated the country.
10-20-2015 , 12:36 AM
I can't wait for all the liberals to cry about how they only won 40% of the popular vote, and how 60% of the country didn't actually vote for their party.

/sarcasm
10-20-2015 , 12:55 AM
It was Harper's toupee vs Trudeau's lisp. Thankfully we're at a place in time that a lisps is less annoying then a toupee.
10-20-2015 , 01:43 AM
Man it suuuuuuuucks living in podunk Saskatchewan where your vote is wasted. Gl Trudeau bring us quick marijuana legalization even though I don't partake.
10-20-2015 , 02:26 AM
conservatives actually did outperform their expected pop vote share (by 1%). It's just that liberals also did (by 2%) while NDP fell flat on their faces (-2%), which in a FPTP system means the first place party rolls.
10-20-2015 , 02:32 AM
Can someone give me cliff notes of Canadian politics? I'd like to follow but I'm just so behind and out of the loop. Like what each parties platform is roughly and who is the controlling party ect. I know I can look all this up but I trust your guys judgement
10-20-2015 , 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by El Rata
mid 50% turnout, that can't be right? what a joke
CBC was reporting 68% this morning, which makes a lot more sense.
10-20-2015 , 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by jjshabado
If you understand the complaints about Harper you'd understand the point that almost anybody else would be better.

To quote Jon Stewart 'If one guy drives me into a ditch and says "Don't worry I can get us out of here" I'll give the keys to a four year old'.

But I get it. You're doing well so who cares about anything else?

Edit: I have issues with a number of the liberal policies but they're still better than most of Harpers. The TFSA increase benefits mostly the wealthy. Same with income splitting. Tax benefits for home owners. Etc. Harpers crime policies are ridiculously bad. Same with his drug policies. Same with his environmental policies. Harper was actively antagonistic with provincial governments that won their own elections.
Very convincing, thank you, I'm now excited for some real change!
10-20-2015 , 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Shifty86
Ok, I get that. He lies because he has an agenda (color me shocked). But sell me on Trudeau, why is he going to be better?

Personally I've had a good last decade and I think any Canadian with half a brain and a oz of work ethic has. So not having followed the campagin Im curious of what's going to change, and why will it be better.
A lot of Nazi sympathizers/supporters said the same thing. Now I'm not trying to compare one regime to the other, but I am trying to tell you that sometimes there's more at stake than your personal bank roll and how you did. The conservatives would have been a lot better for my TFSA and my corporate taxes. I still voted them out because they've slowly eroded away everything that this country used to stand for.
10-20-2015 , 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Shifty86
Why do people think JT and the liberals will be so much better? What has Harper done to get so much hate?
Foreign Policy
Screwed Veterans
Promised not to touch Income Trusts than taxed them
Gun Registry gone
Lied about effects of marijauna and not willing to alter stance
his way or the highway with caucaus
Many say racist to Muslims I disagree
worst economy in g7
his balanced budget a myth
recession
tax credits to the rich
10-20-2015 , 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by lozen
Foreign Policy
Screwed Veterans
Promised not to touch Income Trusts than taxed them
Gun Registry gone
Lied about effects of marijauna and not willing to alter stance
his way or the highway with caucaus
Many say racist to Muslims I disagree
worst economy in g7
his balanced budget a myth
recession
tax credits to the rich
-Helped leave Canada in the stone ages on climate change
-Under his economic watch Canada became completely one-dimensional in terms of what makes the economy move. We essentially have no more tech sector and we're way behind in innovation
-Proroguing parliament like a little bitch to duck scandals
-Turning Canada into a Spy state and giving way too much power to CSIS an company
-Ridiculous USA-like prison sentences that do not work
-Omnibus bills meant to circumvent debate, which is totally un-Canadian
-robocalls
-Gagging scientists, journalists and staffers non-stop
-killing funding to abortion clinics

We need more?
10-20-2015 , 09:09 AM
No I get it. I'm still waiting for someone to tell me why Trudeau is good and going to do better. Without just listing reasons why Harper was terrible. A few examples of policy changes that will improve things.

I'm just curious because for the past 2 months all Ive seen is reasons why Harper is bad, we need to vote liberal. I want to know what trudeau has said to have people think this.
10-20-2015 , 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Shifty86
No I get it. I'm still waiting for someone to tell me why Trudeau is good and going to do better. Without just listing reasons why Harper was terrible. A few examples of policy changes that will improve things.

I'm just curious because for the past 2 months all Ive seen is reasons why Harper is bad, we need to vote liberal. I want to know what trudeau has said to have people think this.
Harper did some things that are considered historically bad for Canada, on the social level. That's more than enough to merit a return to a more liberal Canada for me. Do I think Justin will be great or even good? Can't say. But he can certainly undo a lot of the bad Harper did with a majority now. Minority would have sucked.
10-20-2015 , 09:43 AM
People didn't vote in the liberals, they voted out the conservatives. That's why the NDP lost so many seats. People voted slightly right to ensure they knocked Harper out.

I'm still waiting for all the liberal complaining of "but Trudeau only got ~40% of the popular vote, so he doesn't represent ~60% of the country" which is exactly what they said when Harper won.

      
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