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12-05-2011 , 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by zikzak
Payroll taxes, how do they work?
Write-offs, how do they work? Anyone self-employed who is still paying as much as when they were employed is a moron with a bad CPA.
12-05-2011 , 12:39 AM
Also...the "half paid by employer" business is basically sophistry. It's a tax on labor.
12-05-2011 , 03:17 AM
Grunching this thread:

Newt say he's going to be the nominee. What's the line?
12-05-2011 , 03:47 AM
OK, Obamacare is a new thread.
12-05-2011 , 04:24 AM
Looking at the numbers today (since there has been a decent amount of state polling going on) Gingrich is still getting stomped in a general election match with Obama. He loses all tossup states in the 5-12% range. He makes GOP leaning states competitive. Not that the numbers would hold but you could be looking at 2008 v 2.0 if these numbers were accurate.
12-05-2011 , 07:06 AM
I heard Cain is endorsing Newt today in NYC.

I think that will lock up Iowa for Newt and get Newt a 2nd in NH...
12-05-2011 , 07:25 AM
Still a lot of time for those numbers to change.
12-05-2011 , 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Sholar
Also...the "half paid by employer" business is basically sophistry. It's a tax on labor.
Sure, but it explains why self-employed people think their payroll taxes are double what they are when they're employed.
12-05-2011 , 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by AKSpartan
Pretty much every government program intended to aid the poor/elderly or distribute wealth has an absurd portion of the funds at its disposal gobbled up by the bureaucracy running it. The question I have is if the problem can even be solved and if it isn't just a foregone conclusion that bureaucracy will be wasteful and just grow itself uselessly.
lolwut? This is ridiculous. US social security has way way lower administrative costs than most private pension systems, for example. Less than 1 percent of what is taken in is spent on administration: http://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/admin.html
12-05-2011 , 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by NMachiavelli
lolwut? This is ridiculous. US social security has way way lower administrative costs than most private pension systems, for example. Less than 1 percent of what is taken in is spent on administration: http://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/admin.html
You also get a negative real rate of return with social security....
12-05-2011 , 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by LVpokerPRO
I heard Cain is endorsing Newt today in NYC.

I think that will lock up Iowa for Newt and get Newt a 2nd in NH...
I'd be kind of surprised if Cain endorsed so quickly. Figured he'd want to milk the media attention as long as possible
12-05-2011 , 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Hamish McBagpipe
After getting the Association for Children's Chimneysweeps endorsement and ticking off the entire working poor demographic by calling them lazy, Dickensian arch-villain Newt Gingrich now claims people on food stamps are using the money to jet off to Hawaii.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...stamps-Hawaii/

I'm wondering what the response here will be:

1) 57 states lol everyone makes mistakes

2) Polifact is an Alinsky plant, welfare queens, Cadillacs, ACORN, etc.
12-05-2011 , 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
I'm wondering what the response here will be:

1) 57 states lol everyone makes mistakes

2) Polifact is an Alinsky plant, welfare queens, Cadillacs, ACORN, etc.
2 ainec
12-05-2011 , 11:01 AM
Great stuff... Chris Farley as Newt Ginigrch visiting the Republican caucus in D.C. http://t.co/95BvlP3R
12-05-2011 , 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
You say:

1) Presidential debates aren't debates
2) PD's are about coming up with soundbites and being likable
3) Obama is world class at coming up with soundbites and being likable

Therefore you are saying Obama is world class at PDs. He hasn't been.
If you must go off on an ike's tangent about PD's, at least understand what they are about. Not issues, not even soundbites, UNLESS they make you look bad. They are there for a candidate to lose credibility in the view of the last minute electorate. Mr Cool (Obama) is very good at controlling chaos. And given his tenure in the oval office, his state of ease in pressure situations gets better every day.
12-05-2011 , 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by samsonh
You also get a negative real rate of return with social security....
Maybe they should gamble them on the market. That seems to have worked out well for the private pension funds.
12-05-2011 , 11:45 AM
12-05-2011 , 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Sholar
Also...the "half paid by employer" business is basically sophistry. It's a tax on labor.
This is kind of hard to explain to some people.
12-05-2011 , 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by NMachiavelli
lolwut? This is ridiculous. US social security has way way lower administrative costs than most private pension systems, for example. Less than 1 percent of what is taken in is spent on administration: http://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/admin.html
Uh, using percentages for a ungodly massive amount of money is missing the point.
12-05-2011 , 01:58 PM
Ok, Newt Gingrich's new ad... http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=brdrjLavTzU

This features stock footage previously used (among the many other times this has been used for political purposes) for the Golden Halo Awards created in 2008 to recognize and honor outstanding contributions to the cause of child abuse prevention, intervention, and advocacy in the Roanoke Valley. (And, presumably, they are against child labor, ha).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nUxkmbOYSM
http://cartermedia.tv/?gallery.html
http://blogs.roanoke.com/sosalem/201...d-for-april-7/

How the hell would I know this? I recognized this from the anti-union Ohio ads which were accused, rightfully, of using stock pics to show teachers supposedly in support of the legislation. Many blogs complained about this and Maddow did a bit on it.

That particular footage has been used like a million times. No real complaint, I guess, he wasn't claiming she was an ex-wife or anything.
12-05-2011 , 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by samsonh
You also get a negative real rate of return with social security....
Yeah, that is true.
However, I was trying to counter the point that government is super inefficient at helping the elderly/poor.


"Uh, using percentages for a ungodly massive amount of money is missing the point. "


Here is the wiki for the SSA:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_...Administration

It is a nationwide bureaucracy that has to do probably more than you think they have to do. Consider all of the legal/procedural stuff for example. 6 billion a year is pretty reasonable IMO.

For contrast here is a report on the Red Cross: http://www.bbb.org/charity-reviews/n...hington-dc-679
(See the pretty graph at the bottom)
As you can see, even well regarded charities have much higher administration costs as a percentage.

I guess we could get rid of all this terrible inefficient socialism, but then my grandma would probably have to move in with us and I would get super pissed off at guys like you.
12-05-2011 , 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by AKSpartan
Uh, using percentages for a ungodly massive amount of money is missing the point.
Your car insurance company has administrative costs, too.
12-05-2011 , 02:42 PM
Ah, it was from the Wisconsin "It's Working" ad. ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lD9HiwRKTE&t=0m32s The steel mill guy is also in both of them.
12-05-2011 , 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
Maybe they should gamble them on the market. That seems to have worked out well for the private pension funds.
Phill,

Private pension funds have performed extremely well. The trouble they is that many times they are underfunded from the beginning. Pension funds historical investment results are actually quite fantastic.

Maybe I missed your point

      
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