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Old 08-31-2011, 10:56 PM   #5836
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Re: Who Will Be the 2012 Republican Presidential Nominee?

Seems like a miscalculation by the administration. They backed off the date pretty quickly, is it possible that Boehner's logistical arguments were valid?
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Old 08-31-2011, 10:59 PM   #5837
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Could Obama have put it a couple hours before the republican debate? or right after?

conflicting with the NFL kickoff is even worse
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Old 08-31-2011, 11:01 PM   #5838
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I uderstand how the people on the left have to keep their chins up about this guy, but come on now. This guy just doesn't think right.

When they announced the joint members speach, I thought, "thats what Hugo would do!" Now he looks like a fool, and has to go up against the NFL game.

He keeps thinking he has more political capital than he has, and then has to listen to the girl tell him that his political capital card has been declined.
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Old 08-31-2011, 11:04 PM   #5839
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He didn't need to do it in front of Congress. Could have given the speech at the White House but I guess he wanted the pomp and circumstance more than eyeballs.
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Old 08-31-2011, 11:20 PM   #5840
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He didn't need to do it in front of Congress. Could have given the speech at the White House but I guess he wanted the pomp and circumstance more than eyeballs.
When so much of republican criticism (during debt ceiling fiasco etc) has been "enough rhetoric, give us an actual plan" then NO he cannot just give a speech at the WH. It needs to be a policy proposal and the best way to do that is in front of the law making bodies of the USA. I mean your quote is just so perfectly indicative of how republicans react to every single thing that he does. If he eschews speaking in front of congress and speaks outside WH he's "grandstanding" "campaigner in chief" "more rhetoric, no jobs, business as usual" and now that he AGREES to move it back for a meaningless debate where we listen to complete idiots and non factors like santorum etc talk about god knows what you are attacking him for being more interested in the 'pomp and circumstance.' sighhhhhhh
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Old 08-31-2011, 11:21 PM   #5841
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He didn't need to do it in front of Congress. Could have given the speech at the White House but I guess he wanted the pomp and circumstance more than eyeballs.
Exactly.

He never really had a plan when he said he was going to announce a plan.
He said he was going to announce a big jobs plan before his same vacation in 2009.

He figured he is so important that he would call all the elected republicans to sit before him as he gave a 45 minute speach. If they didn't like what he said, they were just partisan hacks that want the country to fail. He would get a bonus of over-shadowing the republican debate. The problem is that most people would prefer he not be President.
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Old 08-31-2011, 11:32 PM   #5842
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When so much of republican criticism (during debt ceiling fiasco etc) has been "enough rhetoric, give us an actual plan" then NO he cannot just give a speech at the WH. It needs to be a policy proposal and the best way to do that is in front of the law making bodies of the USA. I mean your quote is just so perfectly indicative of how republicans react to every single thing that he does. If he eschews speaking in front of congress and speaks outside WH he's "grandstanding" "campaigner in chief" "more rhetoric, no jobs, business as usual" and now that he AGREES to move it back for a meaningless debate where we listen to complete idiots and non factors like santorum etc talk about god knows what you are attacking him for being more interested in the 'pomp and circumstance.' sighhhhhhh
My comment was meant to be pretty narrow, if he didn't want to go against the NFL on the 8th he could have done done the speech at the White House on the 7th.
I hope he has an actual plan, something that can be scored by the CBO. If he doesn't it is political theater.
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Old 08-31-2011, 11:35 PM   #5843
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When so much of republican criticism (during debt ceiling fiasco etc) has been "enough rhetoric, give us an actual plan" then NO he cannot just give a speech at the WH. It needs to be a policy proposal and the best way to do that is in front of the law making bodies of the USA. I mean your quote is just so perfectly indicative of how republicans react to every single thing that he does. If he eschews speaking in front of congress and speaks outside WH he's "grandstanding" "campaigner in chief" "more rhetoric, no jobs, business as usual" and now that he AGREES to move it back for a meaningless debate where we listen to complete idiots and non factors like santorum etc talk about god knows what you are attacking him for being more interested in the 'pomp and circumstance.' sighhhhhhh
Sorry Bro,

The best way to inact a plan is to write the plan on paper. The CBO said after a "plan" he gave in speach form several months ago... "We can't score a speech".

A specific, detailed plan (on paper), released in conjuction with a speech explaining a need and how it will help it.


I'll bet he says that his plan will create a million new jobs. Shovel ready stuff, but he won't say shovel ready, because the last time he spent near a trillion dollars, that's the one he used. I'll bet anyone $100.00 he doesn't use "shovel ready jobs" once in his jobs chat.
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Old 08-31-2011, 11:49 PM   #5844
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Sorry Bro,

You don't 'inact' plans.

Edit: and wtf are these responses? Obviously completely irrelevant to my point. Thanks for setting the line on whether he says "shovel ready" though. Really. Nice job.

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Old 09-01-2011, 12:02 AM   #5845
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Bachmann backing sPAC attacks Perry.

Opening salvo imo.
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boom bachmann'd
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Old 09-01-2011, 12:48 AM   #5847
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That video makes me cringe. Please please Republicans do not run Bachmann or Perry. Can't we just ask Krauthammer, Will, and Kristol to pick a candidate for us?
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Old 09-01-2011, 01:01 AM   #5848
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So you don't like Republican's, gotcha.

The rest of your post is drivel. First, running for the President in a political party that is one half of your political system is pretty important whether or not you choose to say it's official. Second, although you probably think Obama's job is to give speeches I think it's to improve the conditions of the Country. And part of that job is working with Congress a majority of whom are Republican and playing some sills ass game with their Presidential nomination process is at best counterproductive. Lastly, I challenge you to find a single statement by the Republican party that "their entire job is to make sure he fails."

WTF has happened to this country?
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Mitch McConnell: "The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president"

Jerbs can wait, WE GOTTA MAKE SURE OBAMA DOESN'T GET RE-ELECTED FIRST

lolz.
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I see that you equate one statement by McConnell is equivalent to the entire Republican party saying "their job is to make sure he fails." Not a fan of McConnell's statement to be honest but working towards Obama's failure to win a second term is not equivalent to hoping his Presidency fails.

I mean I don't think it's any secret both political parties would like to have the Presidency. I will criticize the Republican's if they attempt to block Obama's job's proposals if I feel it is for political gain as opposed to genuine disagreement over policy. I think we need to demand more from our political leaders.
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McConnell may be right, replacing a failed manager who is just not capable of doing a good job may in fact be the best thing you can do to improve a situation.

This manager is just now getting around to doing something about jobs, assuming he is doing something real and not just doing a bunch of stuff and pretending it will do something about jobs. You can't get much more failed than this guy. Replacing him is probably the only long term solution the country has, if we want to get real improvement.

Nobody would ever get fired if it were always possible to fix your problems without getting rid of the incompetent managers. But people do get fired, because it aint always possible.
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Sorry, who speaks for the Republican party? It's not like the Senate Minority Leader saying this is some random douchenozzle with no authority to speak on behalf of his party
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Nothing in McConnell's statement precludes working with the President to get as much done that has a positive impact on the country before the incompetent manager is replaced. Congress has tried to work with Obama but he has shown a lack of interest in working with Congress.
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McConnell's #1 priority is making America better, and if the best way to do that is to see that Obama doesn't get re-elected, then defeating Obama is what is good for the country and must be the goal of anyone who wants the best for America.

It is courageous of him to acknowledge that the current guy is not up to the job and we need to have better. The country is more important than any one man, even if that man is Barack Obama who is beloved by some of you.
This whole page has been awesome. Thanks for the amusement.

BTW, McConnell's #1 priority is to be re-elected. And apparently, to make sure Obama doesn't get re-elected is a close third behind making sure whoever runs against McConnell doesn't get re-elected.
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Old 09-01-2011, 01:02 AM   #5849
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That video makes me cringe. Please please Republicans do not run Bachmann or Perry. Can't we just ask Krauthammer, Will, and Kristol to pick a candidate for us?
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McConnell's #1 priority is making America better, and if the best way to do that is to see that Obama doesn't get re-elected, then defeating Obama is what is good for the country and must be the goal of anyone who wants the best for America.

It is courageous of him to acknowledge that the current guy is not up to the job and we need to have better. The country is more important than any one man, even if that man is Barack Obama who is beloved by some of you.
lol assigning such lofty ideals to McConnell. just lol.

And yeah, the exact same thing could probably said for Pelosi or whoever on the Dem side.
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