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11-02-2011 , 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by the steam
lol@ Donald Trump... Jon Stewart may be alot of things but he's definately not a racist. People need to STFU about race everytime a white guy says anything about a black guy,gets real old.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...7A17A020111102
Normally, conservatives are all like "liberals need to STFU about race. Liberals be a bunch of race baiting, race card playing jerkoffs."

Then, the moment they get the opportunity, they all like "HUZZAH!!!!! You pickin on Herm because he's a strong black man. Racists!!"
11-03-2011 , 01:37 AM
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Originally Posted by swinginglory
Not a bad day for the Herminator....
11-03-2011 , 01:45 AM
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The only policies ive heard him talk about is building a big ass border fence and how mandates are bad apart from when he endorsed mandates. Oh and he doesnt consider atheists to be real Americans.
Isn't he brain behind drill baby drill doctrine too ?
11-03-2011 , 02:15 AM
All the current candidates (at least in the media) are so worthless.

Obama has the easiest re-election ever coming up barring a major spur of the moment 3rd party via social media.
11-03-2011 , 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
Also he hasnt made sense. What has he made sense about ever?
He is (was?) in favor of the individual health care insurance mandate.
11-03-2011 , 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys


So it's the super racist tea partiers driving Cain..... lolol
Nahhhh...what's driving Cain are people that don't understand economics...especially the economics that crashed the economy. He worked for the FEd and thinks the federal reserve is just peachy keen, just needs "reformed". You can't reform the ENTIRE CAUSE of the collapse of the economy. When you hold interest rates too low, and print too much money (or too high and print too little) it causes malinvestment and artifical booms (or underinvestment and artifical deflationary gluts). You cannot EVER centrally command and control money supply and interest rates in the economy...it is impossible to know what money supply (M1) is required for the population (as we Census only every 7 years or so), how many assets in collateral that population has, and therefore how much money should be in curculation and how much credit at what rates should be extended.

The only way to manage money supply and interest rates is AT MARKET RATES, i.e. localized authority by individual banks held to STIFF penalties of harm and fraud (counterfeit; must have 100% deposit rules which account also for collateral as deposits to some degree, not fractional banking fraud like we have legalized now). When this was done in our past Depressions were 6 monthes to year and a half long and largely localized to where the fraudalent banks operated. Who talks about, or even remembers, the Depression of 1921? It lasted 6 monthes! They bailed NOTHING out! I have several examples of this, even given our shotty record keeping back then.

Remember, the two worst economic collapses in our history were under the FED (federal reserve); the Great Depression and this Depression/Recession. Our lightest and fastest recession/depressions were under NO FED, and often NO CENTRAL BANK.

In no way can anyone support Cain that understands economics, predicted the collapse, and positioned themselves to profit from it...only those who predicted jacksquat, lost money, and don't understand the problem or how to fix it support Cain...or Obama..or come to think of it Bachmann, Romney, Perry, Santorum, Gingrich, et cetra, et cetera. There are only two candidates running this cycle who get this issue: Ron Paul first and foremost, and Gary Johnson to a lesser degree.

We HAVE TO audit and phase out the FEd over time in order fix this problem. It all starts with electing someone "in the know", an audit, and ending the monopoly on money (allowing currency competition optionally for people as the Constitution dictates; gold and silver were NEVER ammended to not be legal tender, they only added FOOLISHLY paper).

Ok, rant complete...

Last edited by Gankstar; 11-03-2011 at 07:54 AM.
11-03-2011 , 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Max Raker
Nobody who supports Herman "all black democrats have been brainwashed" Cain can be a racist!!!!
I tend to agree, however, logically IF you support him JUST BECAUSE he's black, that too is racist.
11-03-2011 , 08:11 AM
Was Herman Cain recently moonlighting for ESPN lately?

http://deadspin.com/5855807/why-an-e...f-erin-andrews

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Espn sacked an entire department to "get rid of" a black executive who allegedly jerked off while sitting on a coast to coast flight next to Erin Andrews. The best part is he covered his johnson while doing the deed with an I-Pad!!! So much for sterotypes

Now that's some sexual harassment.....
11-03-2011 , 08:33 AM
For all on this board that cannot understand the strength of Cain in the polls, did you digest the election results from light blue Colorado Tuesday?

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A statewide vote (prop 103) that would have raised the sales tax 0.37% and state income tax 0.10% to increase public school funding by 3 billion dollars was roundly voted down Tuesday 64% to 36% with almost a million voters hitting the polling places.

The tax payers aren't in the mood for higher taxes and hence much of Cain's strength.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/1...n_1070688.html
11-03-2011 , 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by swinginglory

The tax payers aren't in the mood for higher taxes and hence much of Cain's strength.
How does that explain Cain's strength? Every single GOP candidate is dead set against higher taxes.
11-03-2011 , 08:46 AM
Amazingly, the field is looking stupider and even less electable as time goes on. They obviously should nominate Romney, flip-flopping toolbag that he is, but seem way too furious to do it. They can tell he just doesn't have a fundamental hatred of gays, women, blacks, poor people, hispanics, muslims, and any other group I left out. And he just doesn't seem to get how awful it is being a white male in today's America.
11-03-2011 , 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Riverman
They can tell he just doesn't have a fundamental hatred of gays, women, blacks, poor people, hispanics, muslims, and any other group I left out.
In your opinion for what percentage of conservatives is this an accurate description?
11-03-2011 , 09:00 AM
Romney also speaks in complete sentences with like measured coherent thoughts. Romney might say conservative things, but he talks "liberal". This is what happens when you close ranks around Sarah Palin's word salad, guys. Sounding educated is now a negative.

"I bet he thinks he's better than me", etc. I mean, check out swinginglory's endorsement of Cain's awful awful awful 9-9-9 plan, it's not whether it's good or bad, it's whether it "makes sense". Low taxes "make sense". Obamacare? That's complicated. It don't make sense.

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11-03-2011 , 09:00 AM
I'm a few days behind. I try not to surround myself with stupid people, unless I happen to be dating them, but I can't think of one person I know who isn't aware that China has nukes. Of all the nonsense, that level of stupidity and ignorance is astounding. Has he even tried to explain this last ******ed statement away? I mean, China ffs.
11-03-2011 , 09:10 AM
My wife works for a lawyer and has access to all court records in the USA. Yesterday (with her boss's permission) did a search for lawsuits involving the National Restaurant Association. She couldn't find any that would fit into the description of what Cain is being accused of. Even though there's a non disclosure agreement the case would appear as being filed if it actually was filed. There are a few cases from the 90's but they involve the National Restaurant Association as a plaintiff, one where they and Hooters were sued by a woman named Phillips in November of 1996. That's the only possible filing and I don't really think that fits the description as it took 3 years to resolve. The case was closed in 1999. If you read the Washington Post story on this, it doesn't fit that scenario at all. In the Washington Post story the lawyer claimed they resolved the case expeditiously over the phone and by fax.

So what we have here is a threat of a lawsuit being filed involving Cain and a payment made to resolve the issue before the lawsuit was filed. That is a whole lot of nothing and basically fits Cain's scenario of a severance payment. Now it seems to me that bringing this out would be a very interesting development in this issue. Do your own research because you should be skeptical of what I'm stating here. If what I'm stating is true, it completely embarrasses the main stream media and Politico in my view. I had jury duty yesterday and I was a potential juror on a criminal case. The defense lawyer asked a lot of questions about and emphasized the concept of proving a negative IE when you're accused of a crime having to prove you're innocent is having to prove a negative. It's the same thing with this situation regarding Cain, prove you didn't sexually harass three different anonymous women that you're being accused of sexually harassing.
11-03-2011 , 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
Romney also speaks in complete sentences with like measured coherent thoughts. That is probably a negative in this field. Romney might say conservative things, but he talks liberal.

"I bet he thinks he's better than me", etc. I mean, check out swinginglory's endorsement of Cain's awful awful awful 9-9-9 plan, it's not whether it's good or bad, it's whether it "makes sense". Low taxes "make sense". Obamacare? That's complicated. It don't make sense.
Which allows me to bring up some wisdom from Glamour magazine, which was the only reading material available to me the other day in a bathroom I happened upon.

As fortune had it, I turned to an article advising women how to "decode" things about their prospective boyfriends by indirect questions. I can't remember the exact wording, but the point was that, if a guy viewed issues as "simple," there was a 2-1 chance he was a Republican, and the converse was true if he thought of issues as "complex."

It was in Glamour so it has to be true.
11-03-2011 , 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by adios
My wife works for a lawyer and has access to all court records in the USA. Yesterday (with her boss's permission) did a search for lawsuits involving the National Restaurant Association. She couldn't find any that would fit into the description of what Cain is being accused of. Even though there's a non disclosure agreement the case would appear as being filed if it actually was filed. There are a few cases from the 90's but they involve the National Restaurant Association as a plaintiff, one where they and Hooters were sued by a woman named Phillips in November of 1996. That's the only possible filing and I don't really think that fits the description as it took 3 years to resolve. The case was closed in 1999. If you read the Washington Post story on this, it doesn't fit that scenario at all. In the Washington Post story the lawyer claimed they resolved the case expeditiously over the phone and by fax.

So what we have here is a threat of a lawsuit being filed involving Cain and a payment made to resolve the issue before the lawsuit was filed. That is a whole lot of nothing and basically fits Cain's scenario of a severance payment. Now it seems to me that bringing this out would be a very interesting development in this issue. Do your own research because you should be skeptical of what I'm stating here. If what I'm stating is true, it completely embarrasses the main stream media and Politico in my view. I had jury duty yesterday and I was a potential juror on a criminal case. The defense lawyer asked a lot of questions about and emphasized the concept of proving a negative IE when you're accused of a crime having to prove you're innocent is having to prove a negative. It's the same thing with this situation regarding Cain, prove you didn't sexually harass three different anonymous women that you're being accused of sexually harassing.
Discrimination claims go through an administrative process in the EEOC before a lawsuit can be filed. Most claims get resolved at this level. You can only file a lawsuit in unsettled claims rejected by the EEOC.
11-03-2011 , 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim Lahey
In your opinion for what percentage of conservatives is this an accurate description?
Don't hold your breath waiting for a serious answer to this one. Even in Ann Arbor and Madison they aren't that crazy
11-03-2011 , 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
I mean, check out swinginglory's endorsement of Cain's awful awful awful 9-9-9 plan, .....
Yes those harebrained Republitard tax reduction schemes have such a horrible track record. The US economy from 1983-2008 sez hai.
11-03-2011 , 10:13 AM
The economy 2008-2011 doesn't say hai?
11-03-2011 , 10:14 AM
I think Ron Paul can win Iowa. This is the biggest opening of a lifetime. Literally every candidate in front of him has had their bubble pop in the polls. Bachmann, Gingrich, Perry, and soon to be Cain.

Santorum and Huntsman have never gotten any traction. Ron Paul has moved up in the polls in Iowa steadily and probably has the best organization. Iowa is a caucus, you need an organization in order to do well. Romney and Cain don't have one. Neither does Gingrich.

Romney may poll well but not visiting the state will cost him. Same with Herman Cain. Ron Paul winning Iowa would be huge. It gives him a chance to win this thing.

I think Ron Paul needs high profile endorsements. If he can get Jim DeMint's endorsement, Game On!
11-03-2011 , 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Wynton
How does that explain Cain's strength? Every single GOP candidate is dead set against higher taxes.
It seems Cain's rise in the polls was pretty coincidental with him pressing the 999 plan.

While you are correct that every R candidate is against higher taxes, Cain came out with the first relatively specific plan on taxes. As the below link shows, he is the only candidate whose positive intensity score has increases over the past 6 months.

Hence, I surmise his distinct tax policy is driving his relative strength.
11-03-2011 , 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by brad2002tj
Discrimination claims go through an administrative process in the EEOC before a lawsuit can be filed. Most claims get resolved at this level. You can only file a lawsuit in unsettled claims rejected by the EEOC.
That makes sense. Not every workplace sexual harassment issue ends in legal papers. Its about resolving the workplace, which the legal system is counter productive for, except for the extortion of legal fees.

The comment I heard this am was probably the best on the issue, this is not about the actual act but an abuse of power. Cain is the person at this stage who is being vetted, not people he knew. And the vetting is about his ability to act in a power position, which includes crisis management. That is the real story, and each day he looks more the fool.
11-03-2011 , 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by swinginglory
Yes those harebrained Republitard tax reduction schemes have such a horrible track record. The US economy from 1983-2008 sez hai.
But this specific plan is just not a functional plan. It's an idiotic slogan.
11-03-2011 , 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by The 13th 4postle
I think Ron Paul can win Iowa.
In light of this:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...mary-1588.html

Can you assign a rational probability of Paul winning Iowa for the fans?

      
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