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10-13-2011 , 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by punter11235

You know it's not stealing right ? You just have to pick the rules to govern society which maximize happiness, ....
So society should be set up to maximize happiness? Quaaludes , hookers and blow for all, the organizing principal of the Euro-Social Democrat?

The US government was established primarily to ensure individual liberty, which we seem to consider more important than "maximizing happiness". Individual liberty is the only way to maximal happiness.

From our founding documents, and I never get tired of re- reading these phrases:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,

There is no guarantee of maximum happiness, only the liberty to pursue happiness as you see fit.

And your rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness don't come from the state or government, they are natural rights that come from the Creator or Nature's God. They are unalienable.
10-13-2011 , 07:25 PM
I'd say there's less individual liberty in the US than in Germany right now.

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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,
Fixed your bolding. Lol creationist society.
10-13-2011 , 07:30 PM
Ah yes, brings to mind the ole saying, The grass is always greener............
10-13-2011 , 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Americans on the whole are mindbogglingly stupid, and are easily duped by a well-funded PR machine into cutting taxes on the wealthiest, slashing public institutions, and marching off to liberate oil-rich nations.
Yes... we are ****ing morons... that is why every 30 years or so during the last century they had to call in the stupid Americans to stop another internecine slaughter or genocide. And then we have to spend countless trillions to keep them from slaughtering each other.

I hope to Christ whoever is elected next reduces troop strength in Europe (and the rest of the world) by 95% I'd be real curious to see how it all shakes out when Norway and Germany have to spend a little more than 4% and 7% of their federal spending on defense.
10-13-2011 , 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by swinginglory
I hope to Christ whoever is elected next reduces troop strength in Europe (and the rest of the world) by 95%
Hey what do you know something I can agree with you about!
10-13-2011 , 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by clowntable
I'd say there's less individual liberty in the US than in Germany right now.


Fixed your bolding. Lol creationist society.
LOL calling Jefferson a "creationist".

FWIW... how long would Germany have the same liberty if America yanked its 54,000 troops out? How about if we yanked them out in 1948? Have fun learning the Cyrillic alphabet.
10-13-2011 , 07:49 PM
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So society should be set up to maximize happiness? Quaaludes , hookers and blow for all, the organizing principal of the Euro-Social Democrat?
I mentioned some other things, but yeah, basically it comes down to hapinnes.
Blow and hookers don't maximize happiness in the long run, quite the contrary.

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The US government was established primarily to ensure individual liberty, which we seem to consider more important than "maximizing happiness". Individual liberty is the only way to maximal happiness.
Could you please untangle this for me ? I don't quite understand your point.
10-13-2011 , 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Jbrochu
Hey what do you know something I can agree with you about!
Even a blind squirrel stumbles over an acorn every once in a while
10-13-2011 , 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by swinginglory
LOL calling Jefferson a "creationist".

FWIW... how long would Germany have the same liberty if America yanked its 54,000 troops out? How about if we yanked them out in 1948? Have fun learning the Cyrillic alphabet.


Yeah, Germany has such a weak military history that they could not take care of themselves at this point...And I am sure if we dropped out they would find a way to get a nuke.
10-13-2011 , 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by caseycjc
Sounds like a lot of people have already conceded the election; so who's the next President?
Depends almost entirely on the economy.
10-13-2011 , 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Case Closed


Yeah, Germany has such a weak military history that they could not take care of themselves at this point...And I am sure if we dropped out they would find a way to get a nuke.
Well, it would be a lot of fun watching them try to pay for their Euro-socialist utopia while quadrupling their defense outlays.

And, I'm quite sure Mr Putin would sit on his hands while Germany started making nukes under their own control. He'd shut the gas pipelines the instant that started happening. Gazprom shuts the spigot and GG Germany.
10-13-2011 , 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by swinginglory

I hope to Christ whoever is elected next reduces troop strength in Europe (and the rest of the world) by 95%
hey we agree!
10-13-2011 , 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by swinginglory
You would have to define middle class for me first. A a couple that is made of a garbage man or a cop in NYC and a school principal both on the job for 25 years middle class people? Or are the the hated rich? couples or individuals? If you are living in Kingman , AZ or across the street from Zabar's, the definitions are quite different.
pick whichever definition of middle class best fits your argument and show me what u got.
10-13-2011 , 11:23 PM
LOL Germany would be overrun by Madagascar in three days if our 50k troops left! Americans sacrificing liberty at home to protect it everywhere else in the world!
10-13-2011 , 11:35 PM
Kamchatka attacks Germany!
10-14-2011 , 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
You actually wouldn't guess.
coffee?
10-14-2011 , 12:59 AM
I can't wait until Romney becomes a super conservative in liberals eyes.

Pretty sure him plus R senate (virtually assured) and R house (most likely) will suck balls..
10-14-2011 , 01:06 AM
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Originally Posted by clowntable
I'd say there's less individual liberty in the US than in Germany right now.


Fixed your bolding. Lol creationist society.

My mother and father created me. Dunno about you.
10-14-2011 , 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by swinginglory
Well, it would be a lot of fun watching them try to pay for their Euro-socialist utopia while quadrupling their defense outlays.

And, I'm quite sure Mr Putin would sit on his hands while Germany started making nukes under their own control. He'd shut the gas pipelines the instant that started happening. Gazprom shuts the spigot and GG Germany.
Lol, wat?

You realise Germany has the 7th largest military spending, is an arms exporter at the forefront of war machine development and has a quarter million active troops today, right?

Ive no idea where you are getting your myths from, but Germany doesnt rely on the foreign troops stationed there, the foreign troops rely on Germany and other European bases as forward bases of operation into Middle Eastern operations.

As for 1948 which you mentioned in another post, America didnt pull out because being in Germany was directly linked to the military objectives of America, namely as a buffer country against the USSR so they can have power massed at the border. Not to mention the control of Germany as it transitioned from broken shell to an economic powerhouse made America extraordinarily rich both directly due to war reparations and indirectly due to profit skimming thanks to American corporation investments.
10-14-2011 , 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
I can't wait until Romney becomes a super conservative in liberals eyes.
Keep waiting. The attack will include claims that particular policies are extreme, but will mostly consist of claims that he's unprincipled and stands for nothing (which I think is almost always more devastating than claims of extremism).
10-14-2011 , 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Michael Davis
LOL Germany would be overrun by Madagascar in three days if our 50k troops left! Americans sacrificing liberty at home to protect it everywhere else in the world!
lol, you do realize that the US troops in Germany aren't occupying or protecting Germany anymore, do you?
Outside of their bases they're civilians.
They're in Germany because the US government wants to keep these bases and German communities like having US army bases because they're good for the local economy.
10-14-2011 , 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
I can't wait until Romney becomes a super conservative in liberals eyes.

Pretty sure him plus R senate (virtually assured) and R house (most likely) will suck balls..
i haven't really been following what's gonna happen in senate and house races but i guess i thought the chances of house staying R were greater than the chances of the senate going R. i agree a R wh/senate/house would really suck.
10-14-2011 , 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by jsnipes28
i haven't really been following what's gonna happen in senate and house races but i guess i thought the chances of house staying R were greater than the chances of the senate going R. i agree a R wh/senate/house would really suck.
I think this will help drive turnout for Obama, even if people feel less than enamored with the Prez. I know it's why I will not vote for Romney.
10-14-2011 , 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by jsnipes28
i haven't really been following what's gonna happen in senate and house races but i guess i thought the chances of house staying R were greater than the chances of the senate going R. i agree a R wh/senate/house would really suck.
There is a much greater chance that the Rs will control the Senate than the House. Dems are defending a lot more seats in the Senate. And generic ballots concerning the House -- i.e., are you more likely to vote for R or D this year -- are currently slightly favoring the Dems.

      
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