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Who Will Be the 2012 Republican Presidential Nominee? Who Will Be the 2012 Republican Presidential Nominee?

10-13-2011 , 05:05 AM
It seems to me that there's a lot of "anyone but Romney" sentiment out there looking for a real conservative. I don't think he has this locked up by any means.
10-13-2011 , 05:26 AM
I don't really understand Intrade very well but Cain seems incredibly low given these poll numbers.
10-13-2011 , 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by General Tsao
yo i agree obv he's a dick

but seriously 20% of Americans or something aren't working, thousands of people are being killed in the middle east, the dollar is fast becoming worthless...is marijuana really an important issue right meow?

Very important issue imo. To me, marijuana symbolizes government oppression, and individuals fighting for freedom. It's one of the greatest civil liberties battles there is right now, and has been for decades.

Free the weed!!!

Last edited by LirvA; 10-13-2011 at 07:05 AM.
10-13-2011 , 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Michael Davis
I don't really understand Intrade very well but Cain seems incredibly low given these poll numbers.

The poll numbers are artificially high imo.
10-13-2011 , 07:05 AM
Cain kinda reminds me of Alan Keyes ... token black guy and all. Did Keyes ever poll high in the primaries? He was a much better speaker than Cain imo, and he didn't get the nomination. I don't know much about what his policies were or anything like that, I've only watched a few videos of him on youtube, but if there were a race to pick either Cain or Keyes to be running for the GOP nomination right now, I think Keyes would win.
10-13-2011 , 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by AlexM
It seems to me that there's a lot of "anyone but Romney" sentiment out there looking for a real conservative. I don't think he has this locked up by any means.
I don't think you understand how the conservative propaganda machine works. Unless/until they change their mind, it's Romney. They're not going to put their muscle behind a candidate that has no chance vs. Obama.

Last edited by suzzer99; 10-13-2011 at 08:55 AM.
10-13-2011 , 08:51 AM
It will be Romney - the sanest guy in the pack but so boring I really wish it be will be someone else just for entertainment value.
10-13-2011 , 09:07 AM
Romney is the most ... policitiany one imo. And by that I mean sleezeball, flip flopping, never a straight answer type thing. Rick Perry is a close second I'd say.
10-13-2011 , 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by LirvA
Cain kinda reminds me of Alan Keyes ... token black guy and all. Did Keyes ever poll high in the primaries? He was a much better speaker than Cain imo, and he didn't get the nomination. I don't know much about what his policies were or anything like that, I've only watched a few videos of him on youtube, but if there were a race to pick either Cain or Keyes to be running for the GOP nomination right now, I think Keyes would win.
Keyes was extraordinarily unappealing and his campaign went nowhere. There's no reason to think it would be different today.

Aside from their skin color and party affiliation, there are few similarities between Keyes and Cain.
10-13-2011 , 09:49 AM
Obama raises 70 million in past 3 months

Guy is going to have a war chest by the time the GOP nomination process is settled.
10-13-2011 , 09:57 AM
jfc
10-13-2011 , 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
I don't think you understand how the conservative propaganda machine works. Unless/until they change their mind, it's Romney. They're not going to put their muscle behind a candidate that has no chance vs. Obama.
I agree with this. The machine will allow the tea baggers to thump their chest and spout off for a bit in order to feel like they are part of the group, but the machine will not allow a candidate that is unelectable to be the nominee.
10-13-2011 , 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Bdidd
I agree with this. The machine will allow the tea baggers to thump their chest and spout off for a bit in order to feel like they are part of the group, but the machine will not allow a candidate that is unelectable to be the nominee.
I don't know, the "machine" has been allowing the Tea Party to dictate Congress, why not here? That, and the fact that Romney hasn't been able to surpass 25% in this extremely weak field, leads me to believe they wouldn't be above nominating a very less than stellar candidate.
10-13-2011 , 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Bdidd
I agree with this. The machine will allow the tea baggers to thump their chest and spout off for a bit in order to feel like they are part of the group, but the machine will not allow a candidate that is unelectable to be the nominee.
Just out of curiosity, why is Cain "unelectable"? I understand he might be unelectable in the college student union, but looking at the overall electorate, why is he "unelectable?

For example according to the CNN 2008 exit polling:

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#USP00p1

63% of voters earned >50k/yr. These voters would be very interested in his 9-9-9 proposition. Of the 37% who earn less than 50k, most of them already are democrat (Obama) voters.
10-13-2011 , 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by LirvA
jfc
cancelled too soon
10-13-2011 , 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
I don't think you understand how the conservative propaganda machine works. Unless/until they change their mind, it's Romney. They're not going to put their muscle behind a candidate that has no chance vs. Obama.
Don't know why everyone is writing off Cain as having no chance. He has something no other candidate, esp. Romney, has: people like Cain.

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Originally Posted by Wynton
Keyes was extraordinarily unappealing and his campaign went nowhere. There's no reason to think it would be different today.

Aside from their skin color and party affiliation, there are few similarities between Keyes and Cain.
Agree. Cain is Howard Dean without the money/org. If the ball gets rolling, watch out.
10-13-2011 , 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by swinginglory
Just out of curiosity, why is Cain "unelectable"? I understand he might be unelectable in the college student union, but looking at the overall electorate, why is he "unelectable?

For example according to the CNN 2008 exit polling:

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#USP00p1

63% of voters earned >50k/yr. These voters would be very interested in his 9-9-9 proposition. Of the 37% who earn less than 50k, most of them already are democrat (Obama) voters.
He has severe fund raising limitations compared to Romney and Perry. Obama would smoke him heads up because none of the republican donor elite take Cain seriously.
10-13-2011 , 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Max Raker
He has severe fund raising limitations compared to Romney and Perry. Obama would smoke him heads up because none of the republican donor elite take Cain seriously.
While it is true today he is at a fundraising disadvantage, that can change. If he does win the nomination and is HU v Obama, he'll have plenty of money as no R donor is going to sit on the sidelines and watch his taxes go up while Cain is pledged to drop the precipitously.

FWIW.... the new Rass. poll taken after the last AFTER the last debate shows Cain & Romney in a flatfooted tie @29% with the rest far behind (Newt10%, Perry9%, et. al.)

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...ential_primary
10-13-2011 , 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by AlexM
It seems to me that there's a lot of "anyone but Romney" sentiment out there looking for a real conservative. I don't think he has this locked up by any means.
Just this morning Lindsey Graham was on Fox, and somehow his statement was taken by Jenna Lee as "he" as president would do ____________. She immediately jumped on his inclination to run for the nom. He had to keep taking her off the, newest to throw a hat in, camp. It really is getting to be far more sideshowish, than anything else.

What is the process for a floor nomination at their convention, should be an interesting stage play.
10-13-2011 , 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by nyc999
I don't know, the "machine" has been allowing the Tea Party to dictate Congress, why not here? That, and the fact that Romney hasn't been able to surpass 25% in this extremely weak field, leads me to believe they wouldn't be above nominating a very less than stellar candidate.
I'll give 3-1 on Romney or Perry getting the nod.
10-13-2011 , 01:07 PM
I think a Mitt Romney is probably the best thing that could happen to the Rs right now. Their party needs an overhaul and to be less extreme.

Cain is still, imo, the next Ross Perot. Unless he decides to get into local politics and try to parlay that into a pres. run in the near future.
10-13-2011 , 01:10 PM
With some influential Jewish supporters seemingly up for grabs this election, will be interesting to see how successful Romney is at attracting Jewish voters.

"Romney Seeks Endorsement from Key Jewish Democrat"

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/20...wish-democrat/
10-13-2011 , 01:22 PM
I need some help with understanding why R's are so popular.
I get that rich people vote for them as well as the state of Texas but it seems that lower/middle class would always go with higher taxes for the rich and lower/middle class is a lot of people.
This is how it works in Europe where debate is about if income tax for the richest should be 50% or 70%, what is the difference in USA ?
10-13-2011 , 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by punter11235
I need some help with understanding why R's are so popular.
I get that rich people vote for them as well as the state of Texas but it seems that lower/middle class would always go with higher taxes for the rich and lower/middle class is a lot of people.
This is how it works in Europe where debate is about if income tax for the richest should be 50% or 70%, what is the difference in USA ?
An excess of stupid.
10-13-2011 , 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by punter11235
I need some help with understanding why R's are so popular.
I get that rich people vote for them as well as the state of Texas but it seems that lower/middle class would always go with higher taxes for the rich and lower/middle class is a lot of people.
This is how it works in Europe where debate is about if income tax for the richest should be 50% or 70%, what is the difference in USA ?
People have been sold on freedom.

      
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