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Old 10-12-2011, 02:45 PM   #7576
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Re: Who Will Be the 2012 Republican Presidential Nominee?

I so want Cain to be the nominee just to see the racists freak out. It will be epic.
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Old 10-12-2011, 02:50 PM   #7577
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I so want Cain to be the nominee just to see the racists freak out. It will be epic.
Nah, they won't. He's the guy to appeal to the "But I have lots of black friends!" guy. Cain is great assurance that they're not, in fact racist because they elected a black dude, and since "Mexican" and "Muslim" are not races, either, then hating those groups is no big deal. Plus, Cain hates those groups, too, and he's black, so it's 100% OK and NOT RACIST to hate them. As a further bonus, Cain can say that all the unemployed are just lazy, and that's not racist either, as it's coming from a black man. If he approves of the voter ID law, that means that law isn't racist, either.
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Old 10-12-2011, 02:53 PM   #7578
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"He's one of the good ones."
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Old 10-12-2011, 02:54 PM   #7579
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Nah, they won't. He's the guy to appeal to the "But I have lots of black friends!" guy. Cain is great assurance that they're not, in fact racist because they elected a black dude, and since "Mexican" and "Muslim" are not races, either, then hating those groups is no big deal. Plus, Cain hates those groups, too, and he's black, so it's 100% OK and NOT RACIST to hate them. As a further bonus, Cain can say that all the unemployed are just lazy, and that's not racist either, as it's coming from a black man. If he approves of the voter ID law, that means that law isn't racist, either.
This poast sounds like hyperbole but it's not, at all. This is EXACTLY what people on city-data sound like. I think wookie actualy stole this post verbatim from Chicagonut.
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Old 10-12-2011, 03:13 PM   #7580
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Re: Who Will Be the 2012 Republican Presidential Nominee?

Just finished watching the latest debate, from a campaigning POV Romney nailed it imo. Very smart to direct his question at a fringe candidate and not a direct competitor, too.

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but seriously 20% of Americans or something aren't working, thousands of people are being killed in the middle east, the dollar is fast becoming worthless...is marijuana really an important issue right meow?
It sure is if it keeps you healthier and if you could be locked up for smoking it. Subjective value and all, pretty sure for that guy it's a more important political question than bank bailouts.

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Old 10-12-2011, 03:34 PM   #7581
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Reuters/Ipsos National Poll 10/6-10/10

Romney 23%
Cain 19%
Paul 13%
Perry 10%

Curious to see where others fell on their poll.
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Old 10-12-2011, 03:39 PM   #7582
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Why would any tea party member want Herman Cain. A member of the Federal Reserve who considered Alan Greenspan as the best chairman. Who agreed with bank bailouts.
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Old 10-12-2011, 03:48 PM   #7583
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Just finished watching the latest debate, from a campaigning POV Romney nailed it imo. Very smart to direct his question at a fringe candidate and not a direct competitor, too.
why does this competition remind me of dodgeball in high school gym class?
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Old 10-12-2011, 04:04 PM   #7584
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I wonder if Cain really conciders Alan Greenspan the best or if it was simply the only other guy he could think off.
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Old 10-12-2011, 04:17 PM   #7585
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I think Rand is the leverage with Ron but I don't know how much leverage is really needed. Cain has a future in the party or as a commentator. Not sure why he would run as anything other than an R.
How is he leverage, or anything other than a junior senator from Kentucky. Even if the gop gains the Senate in 2012, Rand would still get a low level sub committee.
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Old 10-12-2011, 04:24 PM   #7586
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Cain's got a solid pitch. He's no Billy Mayes, but I wouldn't count him out for a second.
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Old 10-12-2011, 04:25 PM   #7587
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They'll just threaten to launch a FoxNews/drudge war against Rand and every policy Paul holds dear.
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Old 10-12-2011, 04:35 PM   #7588
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How is he leverage, or anything other than a junior senator from Kentucky. Even if the gop gains the Senate in 2012, Rand would still get a low level sub committee.
Just a theory that has been pretty widely reported that Ron wouldn't want to compromise his son's position in the party. I assume there is money that could be withheld from Rand and he could be challenged in the primary.
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Old 10-12-2011, 04:41 PM   #7589
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How is he leverage, or anything other than a junior senator from Kentucky. Even if the gop gains the Senate in 2012, Rand would still get a low level sub committee.
Obama is the leverage. Having 2 republicans running almost garuntees a second Obama administration. Whats the point of running third party?
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Old 10-12-2011, 04:42 PM   #7590
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Amazing that Cain is now leading, I think it speaks to Romney's weakness more than anything Cain has done.

The fact that his entire candidacy hinges on 9-9-9 leads me to believe he will fade in the near future. The fact is that every candidate has basically focused their attacks on Romney or Perry. Once the 9-9-9 is broken down and determined a failure (and Cain's "your analysis is wrong" will not go too far), it will be time for the next candidate to fill out the "non-Romney" option. Possibly Gingrich, which while plausible, would be laughable.
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Old 10-12-2011, 04:57 PM   #7591
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Obama is the leverage. Having 2 republicans running almost garuntees a second Obama administration. Whats the point of running third party?
Somehow Nader didn't see it that way. Paul is as far from the establishment as Nader was.

Not saying he's going to run 3rd party, just saying your argument doesn't apply.
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Old 10-12-2011, 05:10 PM   #7592
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Somehow Nader didn't see it that way. Paul is as far from the establishment as Nader was.

Not saying he's going to run 3rd party, just saying your argument doesn't apply.
Not totally familiar with Nader but I do not remember him ever running as a DEM or Rep and then launching as third party candidate. Always thought he started out as a third party. He never really supported either party. Where Paul takes part in the Rep party and I believe in the early debates indicated anyone is better then Obama, and does not appear totally delusional, I just do not think he would launch a campaign knowing it keeps Obama in the WH.
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Old 10-12-2011, 05:34 PM   #7593
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Re: Who Will Be the 2012 Republican Presidential Nominee?

While listening to the latest episode of the twoplustwo pokercast I just realized how funny it is, that all those ACists and libertarians are whining about how badly a private company treated Gary Johnson. "I mean it's so unfair, that company didn't invite him and that company didn't even put him in the polls."
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Old 10-12-2011, 05:40 PM   #7594
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But it's enabled by a government monopoly on politicians!

...or something.

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Old 10-12-2011, 05:43 PM   #7595
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PPP did include GJ in the poll that came out today...he either got 1 or 2 respondents out of a sample of 450 or so (so his support is actually 0% when rounded). I can see why pollsters don't bother putting his name in.

Paul could effect the race, but he won't run...GJ would be the likelier of the two, but he wouldn't be able to effect the race. The people that would vote for him would probably otherwise stay home or vote for another third party candidate. He'd get 1% at tops, and more likely .5%. A far cry from Nader's 3%.
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Old 10-12-2011, 06:53 PM   #7596
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Re: Who Will Be the 2012 Republican Presidential Nominee?

So if Herman Cain implodes in the future, who does his support flow to? Gingrich? I really don't think they will pick Paul. Santourum? Huntsman?
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Old 10-12-2011, 08:06 PM   #7597
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Reuters/Ipsos National Poll 10/6-10/10

Romney 23%
Cain 19%
Paul 13%
Perry 10%
Gingrich 7%
Bachmann 5%
Huntsman 2%

Curious to see where others fell on their poll.
NBC National Poll 10/6-10/10
Cain 27%
Romney 23%
Perry 16%
Paul 11%
Gingrich 8%
Bachmann 5%
Huntsman 3%
Santorum 1%

Just noticed that Reuters snubbed Santorum in both June and October.
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Old 10-12-2011, 08:09 PM   #7598
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So if Herman Cain implodes in the future, who does his support flow to? Gingrich? I really don't think they will pick Paul. Santourum? Huntsman?
Romney is guess. there's always pressure to back a winner.
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Old 10-12-2011, 08:09 PM   #7599
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$9 pizzas for everyone, I guess.
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Old 10-12-2011, 08:13 PM   #7600
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So if Herman Cain implodes in the future, who does his support flow to? Gingrich? I really don't think they will pick Paul. Santourum? Huntsman?
Newt, Huntsman, and the Frothy Mix are the only real remaining options for the next media darling. Huntsman had his time as a media darling when he announced, though, and nothing really came of it. I could see people going back to Perry if he can get his act together.
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