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10-11-2011 , 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
FWIW my trainer, who is basically a racist* - thinks Cain is awesome. He really likes the idea that "that'll show those blacks and Jesse Jackson and everyone that it's not about black vs. white any more". Basically we got our own black guy now, so take that. Maybe just maybe this Cain thing has legs.

*but the blue collar kind, which I consider to be much less dangerous than the country club kind
I mean, you work with him on a regular basis so he must be OK, right?
10-11-2011 , 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by seattlelou
God love ya libs, painting a black man that does well as a R as an indication of racism.
Do you just not know how to read? Do you think I'm basing my opinion about my trainer solely on this? Or maybe it's stuff like using the N-word, talking about lazy blacks that don't want to work, talking about the jails being full of stupid ****ing N_____.

But then on the other hand he knows and likes plenty of black people and works with them all the time. Which is what I mean by "the blue collar kind". It's almost like a game with them that they don't take completely seriously and they don't mean any serious harm by it. And they at least see black people as human beings on an individual basis. The country club kind literally have almost no contact with black people, will never say anything overtly racist unless they think they're in very conducive company or are scared or agitated or something - then it slips out. Those guys I think are a lot worse because they create the glass ceiling and run everything.
10-11-2011 , 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by pvn
I mean, you work with him on a regular basis so he must be OK, right?
He's a good trainer who gets results. So I tell him to shut up about that stuff and move on.
10-11-2011 , 01:15 PM
I think we should derail this thread into a discussion of the value of personal training. who's with me
10-11-2011 , 01:27 PM
Id like some discussion of vocal exercises!


10-11-2011 , 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Oh, so you want another McCain? Look how that turned out. (This is the argument going on on the uber-conservative Chiefs forum.)

Also one of their members just got his first Breitbart piece published. He's soooo excited. Of course it's bashing the OWS protesters for that one bogus list of demands that foxnews and mises ran with 2 weeks ago. http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...40#post7985640
I hear that argument also. Obv a much different political climate so I don't think it is valid.

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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Do you just not know how to read? Do you think I'm basing my opinion about my trainer solely on this? Or maybe it's stuff like using the N-word, talking about lazy blacks that don't want to work, talking about the jails being full of stupid ****ing N_____.

But then on the other hand he knows and likes plenty of black people and works with them all the time. Which is what I mean by "the blue collar kind". It's almost like a game with them that they don't take completely seriously and they don't mean any serious harm by it. And they at least see black people as human beings on an individual basis. The country club kind literally have almost no contact with black people, will never say anything overtly racist unless they think they're in very conducive company or are scared or agitated or something - then it slips out. Those guys I think are a lot worse because they create the glass ceiling and run everything.
Kind of surprised by your reaction suzzer, I didn't mean to imply that your trainer was not racist. You stated that you know a racist that supports Cain and that maybe this "Cain thing has legs." I interpreted that to mean that you felt that there was a wider base of racists (like your trainer) in the Republican party that supported Cain and racist support is a reason for his success. I don't think that is an unreasonable interpretation of your comments or a fair assessment.
Here is a somewhat related story for your consideration:
http://news.bostonherald.com/news/co...ome&position=2
10-11-2011 , 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
He's a good trainer who gets results. So I tell him to shut up about that stuff and move on.
So because he's good at something else, he's less dangerous, or at least below the critical "too dangerous" threshold?
10-11-2011 , 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by pvn
So because he's good at something else, he's less dangerous, or at least below the critical "too dangerous" threshold?
He explained this. They have PMs too ya know.

Use your trolling for good. Hate to see talent wasted.

Edit: I'm ornery. Personal attack removed :[
10-11-2011 , 02:15 PM
I knew that Bachmann and Perry's decline in Iowa was happening but figured that Paul may have been able to benefit. Latest polls show that Herman Cain is benefiting the most. What a joke.

Romney has this locked up it seems. Cain has no money compared to Romney and Perry.
10-11-2011 , 02:19 PM
Christie endorses Romney. It's over. Congratulations President Romney I look forwards to 4 years of criticizing your decisions and endless warmongering.
10-11-2011 , 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by domer2
Nate is also incredibly partisan (he is a hardcore Democrat), and if you don't take that into account when reading his "punditry", you're doing yourself a disservice.
Yeah, look at the way he pointed out how Nixon had a bigger winning margin than Clinton, what a Dem fanboy!
10-11-2011 , 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Effen
He explained this. They have PMs too ya know.
Yes, I know he explained it.

My point is his explanation is not much different than "oh no, not you, you're one of the good ones."
10-11-2011 , 02:49 PM
pvn I still associate with you even though you support a thriving market in children.

You have to pick your battles.
10-11-2011 , 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by domer2
Nate is also incredibly partisan (he is a hardcore Democrat), and if you don't take that into account when reading his "punditry", you're doing yourself a disservice.
People who so blatantly and casually commit ad hominem fallacies do themselves a disservice .

Sure, Nate's opinion pieces on the issues are slanted, and he doesn't hide that at all. However, his mathematical analyses are generally spot on and unbiased. Unless you ave a mathematical argument against against his numbers, spare us all your "Nate's a librulllll!!!" garbage unless you really feel like looking foolish for a few posts.
10-11-2011 , 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by seattlelou
Kind of surprised by your reaction suzzer, I didn't mean to imply that your trainer was not racist. You stated that you know a racist that supports Cain and that maybe this "Cain thing has legs." I interpreted that to mean that you felt that there was a wider base of racists (like your trainer) in the Republican party that supported Cain and racist support is a reason for his success. I don't think that is an unreasonable interpretation of your comments or a fair assessment.
Here is a somewhat related story for your consideration:
http://news.bostonherald.com/news/co...ome&position=2
People itt have speculated how Cain would do with the good old boy republican racists in the South. Now I'm sure you want to have the argument that there are no southern racists, or pretend they still vote democrat like this was 30 years ago, but I'm not interested in banging my head against the wall right now on that.

That was my point. Don't necessarily count out the republican racist contingent when it comes to Cain.

Also providing one data point as a guy who was into Perry but is now fully behind Cain. We have very little representation from the political-but-ill-informed, plen-T-plaint people who truly think foxnews is fair and balanced crowd on this forum. So it might be interesting sometimes to know what they're thinking.
10-11-2011 , 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
pvn I still associate with you even though you support a thriving market in children.

You have to pick your battles.
You'd rather have an underground market in children where criminals dominate???
10-11-2011 , 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by pvn
You'd rather have an underground market in children where criminals dominate???
It is 3pm on a Tuesday, man. I think you might have a problem.
10-11-2011 , 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by brad2002tj
Christie endorses Romney. It's over. Congratulations President Romney I look forwards to 4 years of criticizing your decisions and endless warmongering.
That is not the face of a happy guy, while Romney was introducing him. But he did toe the party line, nice set up for 2012
10-11-2011 , 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
People who so blatantly and casually commit ad hominem fallacies do themselves a disservice .

Sure, Nate's opinion pieces on the issues are slanted, and he doesn't hide that at all. However, his mathematical analyses are generally spot on and unbiased. Unless you ave a mathematical argument against against his numbers, spare us all your "Nate's a librulllll!!!" garbage unless you really feel like looking foolish for a few posts.
I was singling out his punditry and didn't make an ad hom attack, in fact I didn't even make an attack at all.

I will say, re: numbers, that his 2010 House forecasts seriously lagged behind the prediction markets in realizing that the GOP would sweep into power, betraying a weakness in being tied to lagging indicators. He was also behind the 8 ball on Prop 19 in California, iirc. 2010 was remarkably less impressive than 2008 for Mr. Silver.
10-11-2011 , 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by domer2
I was singling out his punditry and didn't make an ad hom attack, in fact I didn't even make an attack at all.
Then your comment made no sense. You were responding to my post, which referred to Nate's claim that some statistical analysis about presidential elections was not supported by sufficient sample size.

What does his "punditry" have to do with that?
10-11-2011 , 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
People itt have speculated how Cain would do with the good old boy republican racists in the South. Now I'm sure you want to have the argument that there are no southern racists, or pretend they still vote democrat like this was 30 years ago, but I'm not interested in banging my head against the wall right now on that.

That was my point. Don't necessarily count out the republican racist contingent when it comes to Cain.

Also providing one data point as a guy who was into Perry but is now fully behind Cain. We have very little representation from the political-but-ill-informed, plen-T-plaint people who truly think foxnews is fair and balanced crowd on this forum. So it might be interesting sometimes to know what they're thinking.
Suzz I don't want to have either of these discussions. I am a white man living in the Northwest corner of the country. I am wholly unqualified to discuss matters of race or the Southern voter with any authority. I am hoping that Cain's success is an indication that he is being judged by the quality of his idea's and not the color of his skin. I hope his statement "I don't believe racism in this country today holds anybody back in a big way" is accurate.
10-11-2011 , 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Wynton
Then your comment made no sense. You were responding to my post, which referred to Nate's claim that some statistical analysis about presidential elections was not supported by sufficient sample size.

What does his "punditry" have to do with that?
No man, I was not responding to your post specifically and did not quote your post; I was making a general comment on the conversation over the last few posts about Nate & Obama's re-election prospects. My point was to bear in mind that Nate is a liberal. If nothing else, he probably has a slight confirmation bias.
10-11-2011 , 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by seattlelou
Suzz I don't want to have either of these discussions. I am a white man living in the Northwest corner of the country. I am wholly unqualified to discuss matters of race or the Southern voter with any authority. I am hoping that Cain's success is an indication that he is being judged by the quality of his idea's and not the color of his skin. I hope his statement "I don't believe racism in this country today holds anybody back in a big way" is accurate.
So basically you agree with my original post that you seemed to take exception to?
10-11-2011 , 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
So basically you agree with my original post that you seemed to take exception to?
Sorry that I am not communicating well or my reading comprehension skills are poor. I thought you were stating that Cain's support was an indication of racism. I took his poll numbers and success at face value and an indication that race is not a factor.
10-11-2011 , 04:16 PM
No I was saying that my trainer is a racist and still supports Cain. Ergo the lack of support from republican racists might not actually matter as much as some have pontificated. Like I said there are a lot of different kinds of racists imo. I don't think my trainer takes it all that seriously, he just likes to stereotype when it fits one of his plen-T-plaints.

Also I just wanted to throw him out there since like I said that is a voice we don't often hear in this forum, and as one data point that the whole Cain thing isn't some weird media fabrication. Or at least put a face to the Perry->Cain people.

      
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