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10-07-2011 , 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by m_reed05
Lawrence O'donnell is just a giant troll.
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Originally Posted by vixticator
Those questions are pretty lol, people watch MSNBC?
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Originally Posted by mjkidd
Wowwowowow at O'Donnell's smug d-baggery.
I watched just a few minutes of the interview and thought O'Donnell was just doing his job.

Yes, the questions were obviously loaded and designed to embarrass Cain. But I don't see anything wrong with that. I consider it part of the interviewer's job to ask questions in as tough a way as possible, and it's the candidate's job to point out problems with the questions, deflect them and answer however they like.

So long as the interviewer gives the candidate plenty of time and space to reply, I think the process is fair.
10-07-2011 , 12:28 PM
Zogby 10/5

38% Cain
18% Romney
12% Perry
12% Paul
4% Gingrich
4% Huntsman
3% Bachmann
1% Santorum
10-07-2011 , 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Scary_Tiger
Zogby 10/5

38% Cain
18% Romney
12% Perry
12% Paul
4% Gingrich
4% Huntsman
3% Bachmann
1% Santorum
Did he just jump 30 points? How is that possible?
10-07-2011 , 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Scary_Tiger
Zogby 10/5

38% Cain
18% Romney
12% Perry
12% Paul
4% Gingrich
4% Huntsman
3% Bachmann
1% Santorum
Stop making up polls.

No one is going to believe that Huntsman is up to 4%
10-07-2011 , 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by maxtower
Did he just jump 30 points? How is that possible?
On August 29th they had Perry at 41% and on June 30th they had Bachmann at 34%. They seem to be effected by the media even more than most.
10-07-2011 , 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Scary_Tiger
On August 29th they had Perry at 41% and on June 30th they had Bachmann at 34%. They seem to be effected by the media even more than most.
538 just did a post on Cain's surge. It's pretty interesting how candidates are able to go through these huge swings.
10-07-2011 , 01:47 PM
For the love of god, do not take stock in Zogby's Internet polls.

PPP will be doing a poll on Iowa this weekend, should be interesting.
10-07-2011 , 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
a) Dems could show some balls for once and fillibuster.
Then the filibuster rule will be eliminated. Count on it.
10-07-2011 , 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Wynton
I watched just a few minutes of the interview and thought O'Donnell was just doing his job.

Yes, the questions were obviously loaded and designed to embarrass Cain. But I don't see anything wrong with that.
You are 100% correct as long as MSLSD promotes itself as an arm of the democratic national committee. If they consider themselves a new agency of any kind, the question was ridiculous. I mean even Fox doesn't got to those extremes.
What could possibly be more irrelevant than asking someone why they didn't volunteer for a war most tried to avoid like herpes? Did O'Donnell himself volunteer? Chris Mathews? Didn't Bill Clinton (one of O'Donnell's heros) obfuscate to avoid it like the plague.

Meanwhile, O'Donnell knew Cain was working as a mathematician in a civilian capacity for the DOD at the time. His question wasn't meant to illicit anything newsworthy, I was meant to try to smear Cain to O'Donnell's 6 viewers.

If MSLSD is a 527, a 501 (c) or a 501 (c) (3) advocacy group then O'Donnell's question is perfect. If he is supposed to be working for a news agency, his questioning was absurd.

Next line of questioning on the O'Donnell show.... when did you stop beating your wife?
10-07-2011 , 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Wynton
Stop making up polls.

No one is going to believe that Huntsman is up to 4%
10-07-2011 , 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Wynton
For the analogy to hold, Obama would have to be seen as caving to the left-wing of his party. Is that what you think has been happening?
It wasn't an analogy though. I was saying that Obama caved to the right wing of both parties.
10-07-2011 , 04:45 PM
I think it's perfectly ok to ask the potential commander in chief why he didn't volunteer to join the army.

And it would have been perfectly acceptable had Cain just answered, "because I didn't want to risk being killed."

There are at least two purposes to these types of questions. For one thing, the substance of the answer might be something a voter would care about. But even if they don't, it's revealing to see how a candidate answers questions like those.

In other words, even if a person doesn't care whether a guy volunteered to go to war - and in fact, I don't care - the same person might care about a candidate who might be evasive in answering such a question.
10-07-2011 , 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Low Key
It wasn't an analogy though. I was saying that Obama caved to the right wing of both parties.
Aha, I see, that does make more sense then.
10-07-2011 , 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Wynton
I think it's perfectly ok to ask the potential commander in chief why he didn't volunteer to join the army.

And it would have been perfectly acceptable had Cain just answered, "because I didn't want to risk being killed."

There are at least two purposes to these types of questions. For one thing, the substance of the answer might be something a voter would care about. But even if they don't, it's revealing to see how a candidate answers questions like those.

In other words, even if a person doesn't care whether a guy volunteered to go to war - and in fact, I don't care - the same person might care about a candidate who might be evasive in answering such a question.
Wynton,

You must be a very good lawyer because you are facile at arguing positions you know are patently absurd

And I'm very sure the demographic that watches MSLSD is overly concerned why people didn't volunteer for Viet Nam. Wow... just wow.

Remind me to hire you the next time I need a good lawyer.

By the way... did O'Donnell or Mathews ask Obama in 2007-8 whilst in mid leg quiver why he didn't enlist in the military at any time in his life?

I thought not...... I wonder why?
10-07-2011 , 05:05 PM
Asking that question once is fine. After he answered in a way you don't like you should give it a rest imo. It's a terrible line of questioning, an answer like "I didn't want to die" should be perfectly reasonable but for some reason it's not, and the host knows this.

I'm all in favor of hard journalism but this isn't the way to do it.
10-07-2011 , 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Brons
Asking that question once is fine. After he answered in a way you don't like you should give it a rest imo.
This. It's sort of a terrible question but not unfair to ask or anything, but to keep pushing after receiving a perfectly fine answer is lol. The whole interview is fairly awful.
10-07-2011 , 05:22 PM
O'Donnell:
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Where do you think black people would be sitting on the bus today if Rosa Parks had followed your father’s advice?
Cain was 9.

lol
10-07-2011 , 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by vixticator
This. It's sort of a terrible question but not unfair to ask or anything, but to keep pushing after receiving a perfectly fine answer is lol. The whole interview is fairly awful.
+1 or to say "I am offended on behalf of all Veterns who joined like John Kerry." That is even exceeds pushing that is making an idiotic commentary and interjecting your personal biases.

Since when did liberals have such a strong opinion about joining the armed services? When does working for the DoD as a civilian not be considered helping with the war effort?
10-07-2011 , 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by ogallalabob
Since when did liberals have such a strong opinion about joining the armed services?
I think some liberals also haven't gotten over the whole Kerry swift boating thing.... In addition to Bush and his cronies actively supporting the war but at the same time getting somewhat shady deferments/non combat roles coupled with the complete disaster of Bush's wars. But yeah, it's probably best for them to let it go as it comes off as very biased and petty
10-07-2011 , 05:50 PM
Man...I dont know what to say.

The Texas pastor who introduced Gov. Rick Perry at Friday's Values Voters Summit in Washington told reporters that he does not believe that former Massachusetts Mitt Romney is a Christian, and called Romney's Mormon faith a "cult."

"Well, Rick Perry's a Christian. He's an evangelical Christian, a follower of Jesus Christ," Jeffress told NBC News. "Mitt Romney's a good moral person but he's not a Christian. Mormonism is not Christianity. It has always been considered a cult by the mainstream of Christianity. So it's the difference between a Christian and a non-Christian."

"Do we want a candidate who is a good, moral person, or one who is a born again follower of our Lord Jesus Christ?" he asked.



Just... wow.
10-07-2011 , 05:55 PM
Pastors gonna pastor.
10-07-2011 , 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
"Do we want a candidate who is a good, moral person, or one who is a born again follower of our Lord Jesus Christ?" he asked.



Just... wow.
well that's pretty easy. i'll take the good, moral person every day and twice on sunday!
10-07-2011 , 06:03 PM
I don't know why you're wow-ing about that. Any evangelical person is probably going to say the same thing. Mormonism is a very cult-like btw.
10-07-2011 , 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
O'Donnell:
Cain was 9.

lol
The civil rights line of questioning was even more absurd than Vietnam. What the heck was O'Donnell even trying to get at there? Cain is a race traitor? Cain thinks blacks are inferior? It's outrageous tbh, dude needs to get fired yesterday.
10-07-2011 , 06:18 PM
Oh right almost forgot where he asked if Cain was grateful to the federal government for allowing him to have rights. Holy ****ing ****. Like, holy **** did he really ask that?

      
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