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Old 07-05-2011, 03:43 PM   #3376
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I honestly don't get what you are saying. Anyone who believes in the Constitution has to go along with the total package. How on earth is that considered "progressive".

Now there can be legit disagreement on how the Constitution is interpreted, but how can can we disagree about the content? I can make a pretty good case that the guys in the black robes made awful decisions in Dred Scott and Plessy.

It does seem more accurate to me that the so called "progressives" are the one's that like to ignore amendments like the 10th Amendment, not the conservatives.
I think you forgot to include a not before progressive? The point is they don't, or more correctly, choose to disregard what the document currently states. Each revision has created a new and over riding document. There is only 1 US Constitution, previous ones are considered replaced. Roe V Wade is an example of a decision made by a majority of actors at the time, that has constantly been attacked, to not alter in a more libertarian way but to revert to a time before liberties were acknowledged.

As for the 10th, it's always paraded around as if its some magic 'abracadabra' against tyranny. It was meant to offer a mechanism for national discussion (hence the reason its included in a national, not regional, document), not a Perry styled usage for succession.
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Old 07-05-2011, 04:17 PM   #3377
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... lots of things wrong with the GOP on display ITT.
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Old 07-05-2011, 04:36 PM   #3378
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Let's go back to nomination related discussion, shall we.

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Old 07-05-2011, 05:14 PM   #3379
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I think Dred Scott and Plessy(less so) were very constitutional, and you'd call me progressive.
Jonas,

I don't know you , so I wouldn't call you anything. I'd be somewhat surprised you'd find those good decisions.

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Honestly, what has the 10th ever been used for in practice?
3 weeks ago in a 9-0 decision?

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Since the framer's intended blacks to be 3/5ths of whites, the slave trade to be semi-acceptable, and women to not vote..........to be a patriot and "Constitutionalist" I must think that is o.k.? It was a good document, but like anything made by humans, flawed.

The 3/5th thing has been discussed ad nauseum and although it is always the refuge of the "old racist white guys scribbling on dead animal skins" crew there isn't much I can add to what everybody knows already. Complete suffrage was unheard of in the 18th century.

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You can believe in its ideals, and even reverence it, and still think it needs changes.

And, of course, that is the neatest thing about it.... the genius of the founders was including a mechanism to change it . If you and your friends think it needs to be changed, have at it through the process. But don't be terribly surprised when you have a hard time doing it.
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Old 07-05-2011, 05:37 PM   #3380
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it will be no taxes/Tea Party/don't back down vs squishy, cornered Dem governor.
Squishy might not be too far off the mark, but cornered? In what way?
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Old 07-05-2011, 06:21 PM   #3381
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Then why has the Tea Party largely ignored the two candidates who are actual fiscal conservatives?
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Let me guess.... who might they be?
Johnson and Paul, obv. Do you think that Palin or Bachmann will make meaningful cuts to federal spending?
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Old 07-05-2011, 06:31 PM   #3382
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Squishy might not be too far off the mark, but cornered? In what way?
Cornered as in he is the executive branch combatant. A deal can always be cut with Dem legislators that leaves him out in the cold if the political heat is turned up. All he can do is veto.
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Old 07-05-2011, 07:36 PM   #3383
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Don't fill like sifting through all the doohickey nonsense to see if this has been posted yet, but Romney laying the smackdown on Huntsman this weekend:

“Welcome to New Hampshire. It’s not Beijing, but it’s lovely.” Burn!

http://www.nationalreview.com/primar...katrina-trinko
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Old 07-05-2011, 07:46 PM   #3384
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In the poll, 35 percent of likely Republican voters in New Hampshire said they would vote for Romney. Bachmann came in a distant second, with 12 percent.

Tied for third place were Rep. Ron Paul and Rudy Giuliani at 7 percent. Texas Gov. Rick Perry, who like Giuliani has not declared a presidential run, got 4 percent.
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As in last week's Iowa poll, the New Hampshire results suggest Tim Pawlenty's campaign still isn't getting traction. He is tied with Sarah Palin at 3 percent.
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Old 07-05-2011, 07:47 PM   #3385
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Re: Who Will Be the 2012 Republican Presidential Nominee?

In before, "Perry is going to cruise to the nomination."
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Old 07-05-2011, 07:48 PM   #3386
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maaaan. I dont get how ron paul is doing so bad in these things..
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maaaan. I dont get how ron paul is doing so bad in these things..
This is actually good news:

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Old 07-05-2011, 07:55 PM   #3388
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This is actually good news:

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how so?
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Old 07-05-2011, 07:58 PM   #3389
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Because he got 7%
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Old 07-05-2011, 07:59 PM   #3390
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Because he got 7%
but if he got 35%, that would be have better for him.
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