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Old 02-07-2012, 04:39 AM   #18616
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Re: Who Will Be the 2012 Republican Presidential Nominee?

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I knew it was controversial, but it's hard to judge the magnitude of the controversy just by reading about it (as opposed to experiencing it first hand). I guess if it really was that way, then Gore could have duplicated Nixon and just chose not to.
Urban legend says Ike forced Nixon to concede before it could be a controversy.
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Old 02-07-2012, 04:43 AM   #18617
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It really tilts me to no end when Mittleryouth bots just keep spewing hatred towards Obamacare when it's the same exact thing as Romney care.

Here is a table of the fees if you don't sign up for Romneycare in Massachusetts.



Here's the link to more info about it

There's no good argument the GOPtards can make for against Obamacare if Mittler gets elected.
I don't think Romney ever goes after Obamacare if elected. I think it is a big time subsidy to the insurance market at this point so his donors will not be interested in removing it. I also think that he does not really give a **** about anything, so he is not personally motivated to enact specific policies. Obamacare will have a politically beneficial impact for whoever is in charge. Removing will hinder anyone's ability to get elected again.
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Old 02-07-2012, 06:55 AM   #18618
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I don't think Romney ever goes after Obamacare if elected. I think it is a big time subsidy to the insurance market at this point so his donors will not be interested in removing it. I also think that he does not really give a **** about anything, so he is not personally motivated to enact specific policies. Obamacare will have a politically beneficial impact for whoever is in charge. Removing will hinder anyone's ability to get elected again.
Don't forget most people have no ideas what is in the Affordable Care Act, and almost every part except the mandate polls extremely well.
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Old 02-07-2012, 07:28 AM   #18619
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Santorum's continued polling strength in the midwest is a little surprising to me. I wonder whether he's actually going to win some more states...
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Old 02-07-2012, 09:49 AM   #18620
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Santorum's continued polling strength in the midwest is a little surprising to me. I wonder whether he's actually going to win some more states...
He is likely to win both Minnesota and Missouri and perhaps come in 2nd in Colorado today.

These are not big prizes but would certainly help him claim some legitimacy as the conservative "anti-Mitt".

At this point both Santorum and Gingrich are in a standoff waiting for the other one to drop out. I dislike them both, but Santorum polls much more positively than Newt among Republicans (in terms of likeability at least, if not electability). I do think Santorum has a chance to outlast Newt, but he absolutely needs Newt to drop out before the big southern states if he wants any chance at all of beating Romney.
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Old 02-07-2012, 09:56 AM   #18621
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I read an article yesterday about santorum in MN. It seems a lot of people in the Midwest are distancing themselves from Romney and Newt because they perceive them to be buying the election. Combine that with his religious background and he may get more support yet.
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Old 02-07-2012, 10:15 AM   #18622
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Bachmann being ****ing hilarious...

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...ect-candidate/
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Old 02-07-2012, 10:22 AM   #18623
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I don't think Romney ever goes after Obamacare if elected. I think it is a big time subsidy to the insurance market at this point so his donors will not be interested in removing it. I also think that he does not really give a **** about anything, so he is not personally motivated to enact specific policies. Obamacare will have a politically beneficial impact for whoever is in charge. Removing will hinder anyone's ability to get elected again.
He will go after it, but there is no way the Reps will have a super majority in the senate to repeal the act. The big question is what does the Supreme Court do with the act.
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Old 02-07-2012, 10:33 AM   #18624
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Re: Who Will Be the 2012 Republican Presidential Nominee?

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I don't think Romney ever goes after Obamacare if elected. I think it is a big time subsidy to the insurance market at this point so his donors will not be interested in removing it. I also think that he does not really give a **** about anything, so he is not personally motivated to enact specific policies. Obamacare will have a politically beneficial impact for whoever is in charge. Removing will hinder anyone's ability to get elected again.
You'll see him go after it, but something will get in the way of fully removing it. We'll end up with some weird hybrid with parts removed, but the worst parts still there.

That's in the hypothetical that Romney somehow wins the general.
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Old 02-07-2012, 11:40 AM   #18625
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No of course not, but Mittler doesn't have that much political history so we have to look at what he has done.
We don't have to try and divine Romney's position on Obamacare by looking at political history. He has explicitly said he will repeal it.



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It wouldn't make sense for a libertarian governor to create individual mandate but if a non-libertarian governor did, a libertarian POTUS shouldn't be preventing them.
Tom's comment and my response had nothing to do with the libertarian position on individual mandates. It addressed the irony of a Paul supporter mocking Romney for asserting state's rights.
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Old 02-07-2012, 12:00 PM   #18626
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This sounds a lot like missile dog's insults, but the best one for Romney is going to be R.Money.

R. Money is his street name. Cuz he's from the streets.
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Old 02-07-2012, 02:50 PM   #18627
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Seattlelou, are you saying we should just take Romney's word for it? Because IIRC he has said that it shouldn't be repealed in the past. Some of his people(Coleman?) has said they don't want to repeal it recently.
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Old 02-07-2012, 03:06 PM   #18628
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Seattlelou, are you saying we should just take Romney's word for it? Because IIRC he has said that it shouldn't be repealed in the past. Some of his people(Coleman?) has said they don't want to repeal it recently.
No not taking his word for it is a much different argument than the one I understood Barrin to be making. If you think that Romney is deceiving the voters by saying he is for repealing Obamacare but won't actually do it that is a different argument than "Romney supporters can't oppose Obamacare."

I haven't heard him "waffle" on repealing Obamacare and would be surprised if he has given that it his actions in MA are a significant political liability, particularly in the primaries. If he is going to waffle it will be after he has secured the nomination in my estimation. I still think that's unlikely given my understanding of the politics and independent voters feeling on the issue.
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Old 02-07-2012, 03:18 PM   #18629
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Old 02-07-2012, 03:20 PM   #18630
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Re: Who Will Be the 2012 Republican Presidential Nominee?

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No not taking his word for it is a much different argument than the one I understood Barrin to be making. If you think that Romney is deceiving the voters by saying he is for repealing Obamacare but won't actually do it that is a different argument than "Romney supporters can't oppose Obamacare."

I haven't heard him "waffle" on repealing Obamacare and would be surprised if he has given that it his actions in MA are a significant political liability, particularly in the primaries. If he is going to waffle it will be after he has secured the nomination in my estimation. I still think that's unlikely given my understanding of the politics and independent voters feeling on the issue.
Romney isn't deceiving anyone...he is simply excluding the words "try to" and "and fail" when he says "I will repeal Obamacare once I'm elected.
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