my bosses and everyone i work with absolutely loves me cres so you have pretty much no idea what you are talking about.

and i didn't say it was a perfect analogy to obama's vacation troll, all i said was that no one gets a perfect vacation, it doesn't excuse taking so many for so long etc.

I guess this depends on your job and how easily your output is measured. But in my experience it is hard measure output in many white collar positions and putting in extra time is a requirement for advancement. I am sure it depends on the company and culture but even out here in the left coast where things are generally laid back long hours are expected for those that wish to advance. Even if its just management facetime.

Obama isn't the nut-low because of the vacations that he goes on at the taxpayers' expense. But it's definitely not something somebody should try to pass off as acceptable. If the mother****er wants to go on vacation, take it out of your paycheck.

So Ron Paul would never go on vacation as president?

Bad example, RP is the one guy who actually may not given the cost of AF1. He returns a decent chunk of the money he is given for his DC office annually.

HA!

We need an OMG OMG Obama took a vacation thread.

There's a couple of variables tarding up this.

1. The federal government work season has ebbs and flows. Congress is not in session, there's nothing going on in the Beltway this week on the legislative front. Everyone went home. You would make a bad judgment of a CPA's work habits or whatever by randomly checking their timesheets in the end of August vs the beginning of April. Federal government work is the same way.

2. As I think others have pointed out, executive job responsibilities and consequently vacations are different from the vacations normal cube pilots and company scrubs take. There's a reason you have to have an out of office message and put your cellie on it bro, you're likely responsible for day-to-day business and operations and the expectation you're driving your cube and doing your grunt work during business hours is part of the gig, and a wide array of people might be trying to contact you such that they might not know you're on vacation but might need to interrupt it to make day to day business function.

That's not so for a lot of executives, especially people who oversee large companies, who typically only have day-to-day contact with a small cadre of senior management and are only brought in for important decisions, and can typically perform those duties just as well remotely as in the office. Being an executive is nice because of the power and prestige, sure, and of course the pay, but it's also nice because it's not manually labor intensive and physical on-site presence isn't that valuable given the roles and responsibilities.

That's not to say Obama is the executive in a private company but the general point stands. Obama is almost surely not able to shirk things like daily security briefings with the joint chiefs and NSA. Whether he barks out the order from the Oval Office or a beach isn't especially critical.

CBS Vacation Days

Obama had taken 61 Vacation Days in 31 months.

By comparison at the same point of their tenure

George W. Bush had taken 180 days
Ronald Reagen had taken 112 days
Bill Clinton took 28 days

I imagine after reading some facts that George H. Bush also took more days
I imagaine that Jimmy Carter took less days.


If your voting on vacations, you should probably vote Obama. Facts say Republicans take more days and spend more on vacations.

Obama drops bombs on terrorists and innocent muslems while on vacation. top that.

also do Presidents typically throw out big plans or ideas for their 2nd terms during the election? i.e. tax reform, immigration, drug war, social issues, blah blah blah.
Can't remember if GWB did when he ran vs Kerry...

Let it go, bro. The "OMG vacations!" thing is pants-on-head stupid. It was dumb when the Dems attacked Bush, it's even dumber now that the Repubs have augmented it with the "OMG 5 million dollars!" nonsense.

Just trust me, this isn't a winning hand for you.

Vacation thread is now open! We will get to the bottom of this travesty.

this is the way to make it appear you were there all night
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA8D0...elated#t=4m50s

go to 4m 50s.

Dvaut1 pretty much wrote the book on the differences.

Almost all lower level cubies see their superiors as lazy asses with easy jobs. And for the most part its true, the higher you go, the less you do. But as you go higher, the responsibilities go up exponentially. And the corresponding cost for failure is commensurate. Not to mention that management is not working, but ensuring your subordinates are working.

Right. Exactly. I'm not trying to make light of executive work, it's surely highly stressful and there's lots of responsibilities. But what it's not is the kind of grunt work that you need to be chained to a desk to do, which is why desk grunts are probably easily riled up and angered and confused by stories of executives jet setting and stuff and seeing it at slothfulness or shirking their duties or loafing or whatever. Basically a fundamental misunderstanding of roles. And I say that as a desk grunt.

This in no way describes my experience. I am in my 40's and I will probably never get the next promotion to the CFO of a publicly traded company. And I can live with that cause I have worked for 5 CFO's and everyone of them lived the job.