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Old 03-01-2012, 12:16 AM   #136
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Re: When should we interfere militarily in other countries?

FF,

I am not even talking to you. I don't even know the FAS report is.
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Old 03-01-2012, 12:35 AM   #137
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Small group of random terrorists speaks for all sovereign countries in the middle east itt.
Can you elaborate on this then as I'm not sure what your point is?
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Old 03-01-2012, 01:10 AM   #138
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its not about middle eastern countries attacking the us. well technically iran has and so has lybia.

its about the fact that we sat around like pacifist pussies from 1970 till 9/11 for the most part. see this stuff didnt start with 9/11 its been going on forever. and it didnt start with us being asked to help with gulf1. they also dont just attack us. they are against any western influence of any kind. that can be business or entertainment everything. and they attack muslim moderate countries as well.
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Old 03-01-2012, 02:27 AM   #139
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its not about middle eastern countries attacking the us. well technically iran has and so has lybia.
Umm...how are these claims even remotely true?
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Old 03-01-2012, 02:56 AM   #140
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well when they finance an attack and then use their own intelligence operatives to run it. then smuggle the operatives thru their embassy to another country to blow up our embassy.

so they planned it, paid for it, provided the training, and provided the weapons etc.

also lybia and iran has attacked us military assets when we were not engaged in hostilities with them.

the takeover of the us embassy in tehran can pseudo count. because the attack did not occur by the reigning regime but by the soon to be regime.
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Umm...how are these claims even remotely true?
You give no credit to multiple reports of Iranian facilitation of violence against US forces in Iraq?
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Old 03-01-2012, 11:22 AM   #142
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Can you elaborate on this then as I'm not sure what your point is?
A small group of random terrorists from random countries flew airplanes into buildings on 9/11, and the USA uses that as an "act of war" to invade and attack sovereign nations in the middle east.

I would love some cites for these attacks on the USA by middle eastern nations.
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A small group of random terrorists from random countries flew airplanes into buildings on 9/11, and the USA uses that as an "act of war" to invade and attack sovereign nations in the middle east.

I would love some cites for these attacks on the USA by middle eastern nations.
Was this before or after the Taliban refused to hand over the culprits/instigators of the attack(s) and immediately stop sponsoring/facilitating international terrorism that was, obviously, a threat to US interest?

Your use of "random", once again, is ironic comedy at its best. These "random" people are at the crux of the "we just want them to go home" argument.

Besides that, nothing about the terrorist who flew planes into our buildings were random. It was not some group of people from "random" countries who on a whim decided to hijack a plane and turn it into a missile to propagate some thrown together ideology, quite contrary actually. Your ignorance on the attacks is astounding. You should stop making assumptions and do a little homework to learn about the things you speak of. This was a sophisticated and elaborate plot hatched from a group of people who follow a specific ideology.. No matter your opinion on Afghanistan or Iraq or the Middle East in general, if you do not know the facts, your opinion is grossly irrelevant much less embarrassing. The more you defend your ignorance the stupider you look.

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Old 03-01-2012, 11:47 AM   #144
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A small group of random terrorists from random countries flew airplanes into buildings on 9/11, and the USA uses that as an "act of war" to invade and attack sovereign nations in the middle east.

I would love some cites for these attacks on the USA by middle eastern nations.
you are too young to remember all the attacks in europe in the 70's and 80's. all the hijackings. seeing americans on planes executed and dumped out on the tarmac on the news. the hostage crisis. munich.

you also forget the line of death. all of the embassy bombings going way back. a bombing of an embassy is an attack on sovereign soil krm
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Old 03-01-2012, 11:49 AM   #145
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well when they finance an attack and then use their own intelligence operatives to run it. then smuggle the operatives thru their embassy to another country to blow up our embassy.

so they planned it, paid for it, provided the training, and provided the weapons etc.

also lybia and iran has attacked us military assets when we were not engaged in hostilities with them.

the takeover of the us embassy in tehran can pseudo count. because the attack did not occur by the reigning regime but by the soon to be regime.
all the 'they' in your post equal the USA in matters of other sovereign nations. Which is the heart of the matter (imo), the US performs activities they inturn claim as hostile by anyone else who acts the same. This has been the case since ww2 was deemed have been complete.

btw, I am 47, not someone who only read about the 70's and 80's in the 00's. I began to travel the world at the ripe old age of 13 with my first trip to Europe. Managed to see a few things, and learn perspectives, not framed in any patriotic fashion. Americans have a warped sense of accomplishment to all things they intercede in, be it political or business affairs. Even geographically most Americans have no idea of what the globe looks like, modern day flat world thinkers for the most part.
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Old 03-01-2012, 12:07 PM   #146
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Eagerly awaiting any proof to back up your claims. If I am so ignorant and the facts are so obvious, you all should have no problem refuting me easily.
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Old 03-01-2012, 12:17 PM   #147
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line of death krm hows that for ya?
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Old 03-01-2012, 12:22 PM   #148
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So they declared their gulf sovereign waters. We sent aircraft carriers into it in response. They flew aircraft over our carriers, and we shot down two of their aircraft.
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Old 03-01-2012, 12:27 PM   #149
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no they fired on our ships and planes multiple times. there were 73,80,81,86. after all that he decided to go after pan am 103 then after reagan bombed his tent he calmed down a little then again got frisky in 89
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So did any of our ships, planes, soldiers, etc get hit? Is it ok for Iran to send aircraft carriers into the gulf of mexico?
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