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What outcome are you hoping for in Syria? What outcome are you hoping for in Syria?

01-07-2014 , 02:34 AM
Muslims kililing each other recklessly, win-win for Israel...also it's interesting that US is sending drones to Iraq to fight AQ militants when CIA operatives are training those same militants in Jordan and sending them to Syria...

also don't believe what MSM tells you, Assad is a dictator and his brother is stupid crazy but it was nowhere near that bad as presented, also "spontaneous" uprising is actually foreign-funded (mainly SA&Qatar) war against sovereign country, of course the SAA military had to react
01-07-2014 , 04:25 AM
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Originally Posted by A_C_Slater
I hope the battlefield moves from the streets and onto the ... organic grocery stores.
Wow, wtf. You're just nuts, dude.
01-07-2014 , 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by AreOut
Muslims kililing each other recklessly, win-win for Israel...also it's interesting that US is sending drones to Iraq to fight AQ militants when CIA operatives are training those same militants in Jordan and sending them to Syria...

also don't believe what MSM tells you, Assad is a dictator and his brother is stupid crazy but it was nowhere near that bad as presented, also "spontaneous" uprising is actually foreign-funded (mainly SA&Qatar) war against sovereign country, of course the SAA military had to react
MSM? are you taking about the United Nations?
01-07-2014 , 05:28 PM
'MSM' means 'main stream media' which is a bit vague these days w/ so many media outlets. I think it safe to say the traditionally it meant the Big 3 network news shows, the NYT and the Washington Post but now there are so many more outlets the term may have lost it's meaning beyond, perhaps, 'liberal.'

He's saying that, despite what we have heard from those sources Assad was merely a regular sort of dictator and not nearly as bad as the Al Qaida crazies would be if they win.
01-08-2014 , 12:13 AM
It doesn't matter which side wins because they're all losers.
01-08-2014 , 01:30 AM
Who wins matters so much that the war is going to last for a really long time.
01-08-2014 , 02:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Howard Beale
Who wins matters so much that the war is going to last for a really long time.
Ironically this is not true. It matters a great deal to the people fighting, because they are fighting so that they can be the ones who do the slaughtering after the war as opposed to being the slaughtered. I suspect the death toll will be similar in volume if not in demographics either way.
01-08-2014 , 03:24 AM
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Originally Posted by BoredSocial
Ironically this is not true. It matters a great deal to the people fighting, because they are fighting so that they can be the ones who do the slaughtering after the war as opposed to being the slaughtered. I suspect the death toll will be similar in volume if not in demographics either way.
Assad could have been slaughtering Sunnis all along and had not. He is still in power bec the non Sunnis understand what will happen to them if he loses. The Al Qaida types are so vile that they are now being fought by other Sunnis who must be called moderate bec they are not absolutely insane. Even the head of the Al Qaida affiliated Al Nusra realizes the extremes some of the other Qaida groups are engaging in. In Iraq some Sunni tribes are fighting the ISIS as well.

It matters who wins very much, imo, if you're interested in the body count, the ethnic cleansing and the harsh treatment of the general population. And, w/ Russia firmly on Assad's side, w/ Hezbollah and likely Iranian troops as well, together w/ the Jihadis pouring in and the current lack of interest in the West since the chemical weapons issue is resolved, this is going to go on for years.
01-08-2014 , 11:08 AM
Assad might be the least of all evils in Syria
01-08-2014 , 11:54 AM
Not really much to hope for imo.
01-08-2014 , 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by grizy
Assad might be the least of all evils in Syria
A fact he pretty much created on purpose: http://www.newrepublic.com/article/1...-mass-murderer
01-08-2014 , 03:13 PM
Their is a low populous of people around the world who actually think that we are witnessing the 2nd coming of Christ and( this view its not even in the Quran only Hadiths), that the story of the Mahdi is unfolding. The Mahdi is something that is suppose to occur in Syria when a divine figure will appear in yellow robes east of Damascus, 15 years or so before Judgement day.

I would imagine at least one group of freedom fighters want the best for Syria,that doesn't mean when and if they take over, a fair system will be implemented. But of course their are "terrorists" operating in Syria. The situation in Syria has less to do with Islam then is being made out by the likes of Fox News. But rather in Syria, groups of people are looking to gain land/territory/money.
01-08-2014 , 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Howard Beale
Assad could have been slaughtering Sunnis all along and had not. He is still in power bec the non Sunnis understand what will happen to them if he loses. The Al Qaida types are so vile that they are now being fought by other Sunnis who must be called moderate bec they are not absolutely insane. Even the head of the Al Qaida affiliated Al Nusra realizes the extremes some of the other Qaida groups are engaging in. In Iraq some Sunni tribes are fighting the ISIS as well.

It matters who wins very much, imo, if you're interested in the body count, the ethnic cleansing and the harsh treatment of the general population. And, w/ Russia firmly on Assad's side, w/ Hezbollah and likely Iranian troops as well, together w/ the Jihadis pouring in and the current lack of interest in the West since the chemical weapons issue is resolved, this is going to go on for years.
Well said
01-08-2014 , 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by BoredSocial
A fact he pretty much created on purpose: http://www.newrepublic.com/article/1...-mass-murderer

01-09-2014 , 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by JamesD816
I know 2+2 has a wide spectrum of highly intelligent posters in many parts of the world. This is the reason I am asking this question. The unimaginable suffering by civilians, men, women, and children alike is of course horrific. From a military perspective as a US citizen it does not break my heart that Al-Qaeda is fighting Syria and Hezbollah, which is also angering Hamas on the Al-Qaeda side. This is only a very small piece of the very complicated conflict. So please if you don't mind tell me what you want the final resolution in Syria to be and if this question is not too intrusive where you are posting from.
Short term solution is that Assad must win. Then there can be a controlled transition toward whatever the Syrians want (and not the foreigners who play geopolitical games in Syria). There is no alternative because at this point it's either Assad or Al Q. FSA has no chance to win anymore.

The only long term solution is that those who finance islamic terrorism must be destroyed.
01-11-2014 , 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Ramana
Short term solution is that Assad must win. Then there can be a controlled transition toward whatever the Syrians want (and not the foreigners who play geopolitical games in Syria). There is no alternative because at this point it's either Assad or Al Q. FSA has no chance to win anymore.

The only long term solution is that those who finance islamic terrorism must be destroyed.
Yeah... I don't think that the UAE, Saudi Arabia, and numerous other smaller shiekdoms are going to be 'destroyed' anytime soon. Perhaps we should just do the obvious thing and let it all play out. It sucks that the Islamic world is going through the equivalent of the Reformation right now... But Christians have no business pointing at them and talking about what savages they are. This is one of the inevitable costs of religion and government mixing.

If christian conservatives in the US wonder what the founding fathers were thinking when they wanted separation of church and state... They were thinking that for the past two hundred and fifty years a fratricidal low intensity (sometimes high intensity) war had been waged between Catholics and Protestants. That wars final embers died out with the end of the troubles in Ireland... Which happened after I was born.
01-15-2014 , 08:52 AM
Hope they seem to have mass destruction weapons...
01-21-2014 , 01:46 AM
How far beyond the red line is this?

http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/20/world/...html?hpt=hp_t2
01-21-2014 , 04:08 AM
There's a Syria?
01-21-2014 , 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by grizy
How far beyond the red line is this?

http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/20/world/...html?hpt=hp_t2
Qatar is behind the report, which comes out just when the so-called peace talks start.

The bodies on the photographs have no identity info, why would they photograph them? Surely not for reasons of identity documentation. And what's the point of photographing allegedly 11k victims of crimes? To create evidence of crimes? I don't remember in history any case like that, where murderers and torturers make 55k items of evidence of their crimes against 11k victims. It doesn't make sense at all.
01-21-2014 , 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Ramana
Qatar is behind the report, which comes out just when the so-called peace talks start.

The bodies on the photographs have no identity info, why would they photograph them? Surely not for reasons of identity documentation. And what's the point of photographing allegedly 11k victims of crimes? To create evidence of crimes? I don't remember in history any case like that, where murderers and torturers make 55k items of evidence of their crimes against 11k victims. It doesn't make sense at all.
It does seem a bit fishy

http://m.csmonitor.com/World/Securit...a-careful-read
01-21-2014 , 06:20 PM
I hope the entire nation devolves into piracy. Yarrrr.
01-21-2014 , 06:24 PM
Anyone remember when Iraqi soldiers were throwing Kuwaiti babies out of their cribs in hospitals? Yeah.
01-21-2014 , 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Peter Porker
I hope the entire nation devolves into piracy. Yarrrr.
Syrians are good people. Just like in the US Syrian mothers love their children more than anything and Syrian fathers would do everything for their family to be healthy and happy.
01-21-2014 , 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Ramana
Syrians are good people. Just like in the US Syrian mothers love their children more than anything and Syrian fathers would do everything for their family to be healthy and happy.
All the more reason for them to become pirates and sail the seas of adventure, pillaging American and Israeli landlubbers.

      
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