im trying to figure out how the russians effected the outcome of the election

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...-agencies.html

This is where OBAMA failed america, he had the stroke for 2 years to do it and decided to kowtow to big pharma.

Nope

Leaked the DNC emails to create further divisiveness within the dems, depressed turnout. There you go, I'll hang up and listen.

There we go, russia getting credit for wikileaks, lets give credit where credit is due. Wikileaks has show everyone so much they refuse to believe. The Dems depressed turnout was decided when we found out how bad BERNIE got ****ed. the so much underestimated the bernie movement and we even told them, our votes dont goto to hillary, shes the problem.

Do you not remember 2008? She was supposed to be the Democratic nominee going into that contest. She had great name recognition, the party behind her, and vast amounts of money. Lost to a charismatic insurgent who could give a mean speech. Yes Obama was a very good political candidate, but he was supposed to lose the primary in 2008 and be our candidate in 2016 after Hillary had her two terms.

At least that was the narrative at the time. Then he (very rudely) beat her in the primary and became president. Just because we're all looking at it in hindsight doesn't mean it wasn't a huge upset.

So basically she's been on the losing end of not one but TWO huge political upsets. She's a ****ing awful political candidate. Just the worst. Literally no redeeming qualities. She's a poor communicator, a weaker tactician, and just generally runs dysfunctional political campaigns that value loyalty over competence.

She actually very effectively represents everything wrong about the Democratic party as a political organization. Shrill, incompetent, and deeply morally compromised. What a winner.

yea keep telling yourself that, no the people just found out hillary was a bad person. the fact she didnt even give a defeat speech to all the people that waited for hours should of told everyone that

and look whos president. HMMMMMM

oh yea it was the russians not the fact our own party ****ed over our guy for HER

Love ya BERNIE we all know you marched with MLK, regardless what certain members of our own party say

Seriously all the conservatives who get super butt hurt about being called deplorables think that liberals are sub human monsters who want to destroy the country with their government handouts and job killing regulations.

She's not half as bad as the Bernie or bust people made her out to be. You can tell yourself that she was just as bad as Trump all you want... But I suspect that you'll have to deal with some major cognitive dissonance over the next 4 years to keep that belief intact.

Bernie Sanders being remotely viable as a candidate was a result of HRC being the only moderate democrat in the field. Tim Kaine and Biden should have run in the primary. One of them would have won the primary and we'd have won the election.

It's certainly possible that Bernie could have beaten Trump. We'll never know now. That doesn't mean that Hillary collapsing vs Trump was obvious. You secretly wanting it to happen (because **** her am I right?) does not count as it being obvious.

After the fact with the dust already settled HRC's obvious flaws as a candidate are very obvious. This is one of the most distinct 'the emperor has no clothes' moments I can remember in my lifetime. The other big one would be the financial crisis I guess.

I think that after the last 15 years we should all be a lot more humble about our opinions. We've all been significantly wrong about something major at some point in the last couple of decades... So let's not assume that we've DEFINITELY GOT IT RIGHT THIS TIME!!!!

I just hope it all turns out alright in the end. In the meantime I've already stopped watching. The best way to combat a full blown narcissist like Trump is to not give him any attention. At least for normal people who don't have the time or the interest to go out and actually do something. Bitching to your liberal friends about Trump is definitely something that makes his dick hard though. So please keep that in mind .

Great post BTW

But everytime you turned a stone on her, there was something to be found. It wasnt like one isolated incident like emails. It was just the cumulative like HOLY **** this bitch just is not a good person to leading this country

***** to the others (NO IM NOT SAYING TRUMP IS)

and then you find out the crazy **** that happened during the primaries to pick a DNC nominee. Did you follow any of that on twitter (ie.. real time footage of people taking votes for Bernie straight out of the building to the car, meaning they took bernie vote and basically didnt count it and it was filmed by a woman who followed her out to car and the woman was about start crying) and that was documented, how much wasnt

billy clinton blocking voters in maryland by hanging out at a voting spot that bernie was supposed to win by effectively blocking voters from being about to vote (THATS A LIE) ok go somewhere a former president is, you cant the secret service wont let you, as the voters who had to wait for 3 hours during prime time voting hours for bill to do what ..have a cup a coffee at this voting place

and on and on and on and on

its like WTF

guess you didnt follow what was happening as Bernie was getting ****ed from one news source to another as he was filling arenas around the US. Votes being phsically taken out of the building for bernie (not whatever they claim russian was doing) people actually removing the paper from the building

(ALL THIS IS DOCUMENTED and was filmed and posted ) (HEY MOTEHR****ER WHERE ALL THIS BULL**** YOURE TALKING, go look back at twitter feeds of real happenings (IN VIDEO) at voting precents, if ya didnt pay attention in real time, dont try to retrofit)

Bill blocking voters from being able to vote in counties bernie was to win, remember if bill shows up you cant enter that voting building and why is bill blocking voters at all.

They knew Bernie was going to get the nomination thats why he was virtually ignored by the news until the couldnt anymore, once they realize we were enough votes to actually cause HER problems

What you mean to say is that you'd like to ban anyone who does not broadly agree with you.

Riverman isn't talking about you.

people thinking she's a bad person is about personality, bro

ok

Do you guys bashing Clinton think there was any disinformation at all during the primary, like there was during the general election (as stated by the US intel agencies)?

shrill? really?

lol dude you outed yourself

Are you ****ing kidding me? That wasn't an anti feminist barb like we'd all like it to have been. That woman was THE WORST political candidate we've run in living memory.

Her demeanor was grating. That's what I mean by shrill. She reminded every woman of the most ambitious ****ty woman she knew and every man of the most domineering and annoying woman he'd ever met. She was the model for Tracey Flick.

You can say that none of that should have mattered because feminism, but reality doesn't give a **** about right or wrong. She was unlikeable in a very specific way and yes part of it was related to being a woman. Being a certain gender is part of being a person, so it's not hard to believe that an unpleasant person who was also a woman would be unpleasant in a womanly way.

A lot of people probably voted against her because they couldn't stomach the idea of her talking down to them from their TV sets in her slightly condescending way for 4 years. They just viscerally reacted to her in a massively negative way.

Fun fact: Hillary Rodham wasn't even the first female president of her senior class in high school. She was a bad political candidate even against a pool of 200-500 random people (I have no idea how many people she graduated with... I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt) She never really considered running for office until someone ****ed up and convinced her to run for the Senate. Turns out you don't have to be a very good political candidate to win a senate race with enough money and enough name recognition and only slightly off peak Bill Clinton running around cheerleading. I wish she'd have lost because that would have stopped this nightmare from happening. Someone as ambitious as HRC was never NOT going to try to be the first female president if it was remotely in reach.

EDIT: And no I don't think it's too much to ask that political parties nominate candidates that are generally likeable. It's one basic fundamental thing you have to have to win high office. HRC is like 2% as charismatic as Nixon ffs. Add to that being absolutely terrible at public perception and you lose to Donald Trump. A man who was on tape talking about grabbing women by the pussy every day leading up to the election. Despite that he won white women vs Hillary. That might be the single most damning fact that anyone can throw at her. Her own gender rejected her in a stunning way.

sick fact brah you must slay at parties

I ****ing hate parties. I'm sure your half assed sarcasm makes you very popular as well.

It's cliche', but seriously, hater gonna hate. There's almost no substance to your critique.

She lost to Donald ****ing trump, English does not support a strong enough critique to adequately describe that failure.