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In Which We Re-Re-Re-Re-Litigate Hillary Clinton and the 2016 Election In Which We Re-Re-Re-Re-Litigate Hillary Clinton and the 2016 Election

02-03-2017 , 10:28 PM
Hillary's "Deplorables" was an unforced error of historic proportions. It was worse than Romney's "47%" gaffe because at least Romney thought he was saying it in a closed meeting. Hillary broadcast her blunder for all the world to hear. There were a lot of working class people on the fence in battleground states who took it personally. They had friends for Trump who they identified with even though they might have voted for Hillary. Instead they thought, "who does she think she is calling my friends and me deplorable".

Also, Hillary hid her policies on her website. Trump expressed simple, sharp policies that stuck in people's minds. When Hillary was asked at a debate what policies she was most passionate about carrying out immediately she said, "I have a lot of policies. Just look at my website". The media kept complaining that Trump didn't have any policies. Yet Trump voters felt like they knew exactly what his policies were. Trump sold his policies, Hillary sold her website.

Hillary relied exclusively on the campaign tactic of shaming Trump. That worked well as long as Trump kept being shameful. But after every shaming hit wore off Trump slowly recovered in the polls. When Trump failed to load Hillary's shame gun for her in the last two weeks of the campaign she had no other bullets to fire. People don't care if Caesar is a rascal as long as he gives them bread. Or in Trump's case, jobs.

Of course there were other things beyond Hillary's control. But imo she could have won despite those things. Her "deplorables" blunder practically disqualified her on grounds of stupidity.


PairTheBoard
02-03-2017 , 10:56 PM
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Her "deplorables" blunder practically disqualified her on grounds of stupidity.
Yeah, between that and emails there is literally NO WAY she was fit to be president. Praise Jesus we dodged that bullet.
02-05-2017 , 01:27 AM
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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy
The DNC could have run a chimpanzee and it probably would have beaten Trump.

But no, they are so arrogant that they put up the most distrusted candidate in history and expect to win in a cake walk.
She wasn't the most distrusted candidate in history when the election began. The tremendous smear campaign that was waged against her by republicans everywhere for 1.5 years did that.
02-05-2017 , 02:05 AM
Agree deplorables was terrible. Insulting the voters is always a bad strategy.

So many reasons she lost, not all of them her fault.... Comey letter, effed-up electoral college system, etc. But, she proved in 2008 she was terrible at running for President and was not any better at it 8 years later. Not likeable, not an inspiring speaker, muddled message, no charisma or ability to connect with average people.
02-05-2017 , 03:10 AM
Ptb analysis is factually wrong. The polls had no swing post deplorables. Obama held an 8 point lead after the 47%.
Hillary talked about her policies at campaign stops every day. The networks just didn't air them and would air trump stops in full. She only got coverage when she went negative. A positive, policy driven campaign is how she ran the first few months. It got no airplay. You're using some poor hindsight bias.
02-05-2017 , 03:17 AM
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Originally Posted by jman220
She wasn't the most distrusted candidate in history when the election began. The tremendous smear campaign that was waged against her by republicans everywhere for 1.5 years did that.
I don't think she did herself any favors in that regard either. She just didn't come across as trust worthy and being under FBI investigation during the campaign only added to that perception.
02-05-2017 , 11:49 AM
If poll numbers were entirely scientific, there'd be another president.
02-05-2017 , 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by leavesofliberty
If poll numbers were entirely scientific, there'd be another president.
The polls were closer in 2016 than in 2012.

Broadway is almost kind of right for the first time though. People legitimately thought Hillary might go to jail because the media handled comey terribly.
02-05-2017 , 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
The polls were closer in 2016 than in 2012.

Broadway is almost kind of right for the first time though. People legitimately thought Hillary might go to jail because the media handled comey terribly.
2012 may have been thrown off due to the whole Obama/Christie thing after hurricane Sandy. I believe at the very least that the election is way closer if that doesn't happen. That swung many middle people to Obama
02-05-2017 , 02:29 PM
This election shouldn't have been close. Hillary's legacy is now and will forever be that first she lost to a black guy in an unlosable primary and then got beat by Donald Trump in a general election. Hard not to see her going down as a WOAT political candidate option.

After the DNC's experiences with Gore and Kerry there really isn't any possible excuse for why they thought running a less than mediocre candidate was an option.

I for one have been checking the news <1 time a week since the election. My business (transportation) and my tax liabilities are both probably headed in positive directions thanks to Trump getting elected. I'm going to tune out the negative and focus on what I can control, which is my own life.

There's a very real chance that I stop caring about politics at all. I have to choose between a party that I think has a genuinely evil agenda and a party that can't tie their own shoes without setting themselves on fire. This show is worse than the Walking Dead.
02-05-2017 , 02:34 PM
clinton's main problem was she was incredibly boring and lacked charisma and the ability to make people like her. it was personality more than anything.
02-05-2017 , 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by BMOL33
2012 may have been thrown off due to the whole Obama/Christie thing after hurricane Sandy.
02-05-2017 , 02:40 PM
she was/is a bit dodgy and that didnt help, but so was bill. she was no better/worse on policy. she just has no charm
02-05-2017 , 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
The polls were closer in 2016 than in 2012.

Broadway is almost kind of right for the first time though. People legitimately thought Hillary might go to jail because the FBI broke the law
FYP
02-05-2017 , 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by BoredSocial
This election shouldn't have been close. Hillary's legacy is now and will forever be that first she lost to a black guy in an unlosable primary and then got beat by Donald Trump in a general election. Hard not to see her going down as a WOAT political candidate option.

After the DNC's experiences with Gore and Kerry there really isn't any possible excuse for why they thought running a less than mediocre candidate was an option.

I for one have been checking the news <1 time a week since the election. My business (transportation) and my tax liabilities are both probably headed in positive directions thanks to Trump getting elected. I'm going to tune out the negative and focus on what I can control, which is my own life.

There's a very real chance that I stop caring about politics at all. I have to choose between a party that I think has a genuinely evil agenda and a party that can't tie their own shoes without setting themselves on fire. This show is worse than the Walking Dead.
( -_-) wat
02-05-2017 , 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Max Cut
Yeah, between that and emails there is literally NO WAY she was fit to be president. Praise Jesus we dodged that bullet.
When you look down your nose at 46-47% of the country, don't be too surprised when you lose....

But please.... keep that attitude as it works sooooo well.
02-05-2017 , 06:39 PM
fo troll
02-05-2017 , 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by 2OutsNoProb
We'd already be involved in war, eh? On day 17?
just curious, did you listen to anything hillary said while campaigning, her finger was ready to go and if ya need the links they are out there just like


the other **** you had no clue about ... hillary tv dreams

TYPICAL HILLARY SUPPORTER
02-05-2017 , 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by OutTaGetMe
just curious, did you listen to anything hillary said while campaigning, her finger was ready to go and if ya need the links they are out there just like


the other **** you had no clue about ... hillary tv dreams

TYPICAL HILLARY SUPPORTER
let me guess, you're white, your parents are republican and your education is weak.
02-05-2017 , 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by .isolated
I this argument. Indirectly acknowledging that Trump is horrible by saying, "x would've done y so how dare you complain". Thanks for the laugh. Anybody would've been better than the clown we have in power now. The only thing that matters is what's happening now. Clinton doesn't ****ing matter now.
DUDE youre insane if you think hillary would be doing better than that clown in the office now. Send those donations str8 to the clinton foundation (great work there too) so she would know what country she wanted to attack NEXT

Just sad people wasted their vote on hillary instead of getting a 5% for a third party to get rolling
02-05-2017 , 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by OutTaGetMe
DUDE youre insane if you think hillary would be doing better than that clown in the office now. Send those donations str8 to the clinton foundation (great work there too) so she would know what country she wanted to attack NEXT

Just sad people wasted their vote on hillary instead of getting a 5% for a third party to get rolling
Please point us to the proof that shows that Hilary wanted to go to war as a reward for donations she received from the Clinton foundation.

EDIT: I am also happy with proof that she wanted to start an actual war.
02-05-2017 , 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Kirbynator
let me guess, you're white, your parents are republican and your education is weak.
wow funny how the stereotypes only go one way

as i said above sad those people voted for hillary instead of getting stein the 5% not for her, but to get another party rolling

DUDE THE DEMOCRATS TODAY ARE MORE REPUBLICAN THAN THE REPUBLICANS.

Stein got my vote, my hands are clean - can you say that

I hope their are a lot of young bernies getting ready to rise up through the ranks or its gonna be a ruff 16 years
02-05-2017 , 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by bbfg
Please point us to the proof that shows that Hilary wanted to go to war as a reward for donations she received from the Clinton foundation.
another person who didnt pay any attention during the buildup to the elections

Search it out pal, or someone who did pay attention, set whoever this right

She was ready to start a no fly zone over Syria which would started **** with russia AND WHO STARTED ALL THIS CRAZY russia talk

THAT BITCH WAS READY FOR WAR and the clinton foundation was going to the highest bidder I mean donor

Next youre gonna tell me how clean the clinton foundation is

**** - hillbots are just blind
02-05-2017 , 07:31 PM
obstructing putin's regime = GOING TO WAR now

im sure the USA sanctions after Crimea ALSO STARTED A WAR. Wait..
02-05-2017 , 07:32 PM
#There is zero chance a no fly in Syria would start a war with Russia. How do I know? Because neither Hillary nor Putin is a moron. If Russia had dug in to the point that we would have to bomb them to do a no-fly, Hillary would back off.
Tough negotiating with Russians while avoiding war is not a new problem.

      
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