Milton Friedman once said that the way to get positive change in this country isn't to elect the right people with the right ideals. That's nice if you can do it, but it's not necessary. The way to do it is to make the wrong people do the right things.

This country has continuously headed down a terrible path and it's been absolutely crushing for all individuals' freedom, liberty, and economic status. With Ron Paul, people are trying to elect the right person. It's not gonna happen. As sad and unfortunate as it is to say, Ron Paul is not going to be president. The wrong person with the wrong ideals is going to be elected. Same with Congress, same with local governments. Therefor, what needs to happen is to make it both politically and economically profitable for those wrong people who win the elections to do the right thing. The challenge is coming up with ways to do that.

So, my fellow politards, how do we make the wrong people do the right things?

So you are of the view that the solution to our problems is, getting the right person incharge?

Forgive me if i'm mistaken but i thought you were an Anarchist?

If they do the right things are they still the wrong people??

Hi BluffsOften. Given your thread on libertarians and pregnancy, I can understand that you may have difficulty following things. No, I agree with Milton Friedman and I believe it's possible to get positive change by making the wrong people do the right things.

I am indeed an Anarchist. Do I think Ron Paul is the right person and Mitt Romney and Barack Obama are the wrong people, and wish Ron Paul would be elected? Yes. Does this mean I cannot be an Anarchist? No. DUCY?

The question was not about me though, the question is


how do we make the wrong people do the right things?

I think the problem with the question is that there is no right thing. I'm quite sure that the special interest groups are doing the 'right thing' for themselves by buying influence. And I'm also sure that the politicians are doing the 'right thing' by catering to them. Christians want the politician to do the 'right thing' and ban abortion and gay marriage, and I want the politician to do the 'right thing' and get out of the way of abortion and gay marriage.

In short, WAAF (Thanks LirvA!)

The first step would be getting everyone to agree on what the 'right things' are.

The right thing is obviously for individuals to have freedom, privacy, and prosperity.

I'm rather confused. Can we have a new forum rule requiring LirvA to list his current level of highness in a vague homeland security format like this


At the bottom of every OP, so we know just how high our boy is when he begins to opine on the interwebz?

Anarchism translates to "without rulers" correct?

You may think that politican X is better than politican Y and Z, but that doesn't change the fact that politicans XYZ are all part of a system where the few rule the many. All of this is ignoring the fact that Ron Paul wouldn't dismantly the system from the inside, he would delegate power to state governments. I conceed that this is much more favorable (due to decentralization), however favorable =! dismantling the system. I have no doubt that Dr. Paul is sincere however it must be noted that any good he does would ultimately be legitimizing the system.

Its also plausible to state that by supporting politican X, you are actually empowering the existing system, by taking a part in it, rather than outright rejecting it.

You can argue the decentralization of power line all you want but so long as power is still in the equation; there is going to be a hierarchy with a monopoly on force (the exact opposite of what Anarchism is).

I believe that all of this is relevant to the thread topic (as you are talking about the "right people" and this is obviously subjective to your school of thought).

To address the OP in an objective way; I believe that the "right person" is dependent on the masses eduating themselves, realizing their collective power and mobilizing in a manner that strikes fear into oppresive forces.

Green should be at the top, and he's always green.

You're not really addressing the OP at all, since he states that the wrong people are going to continue to win.

But I'll take this thread over the travesty of justice that was the aggressive pregnancy thread of last night at this time.