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07-10-2015 , 02:16 PM
07-10-2015 , 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
It would be crazy to think forty percent of Sunni Muslims in Britain could support a terrorist in regime that's killing other Muslims.

I'm not a Sunni Muslim, so its hard for me this number relevant to my immediate life, friends and family.

Tell me, what % do you think support attacks on Christians? Jews? Other "infidel" groups we've seen suffer under Islamist hands recently, Yazidis / Zoroastrians / Druze / Ba'hai,

how about Israeli babies sleeping in their cribs? What % support slitting their necks as a form of heroic "resistance" ?

Would it be crrraaaaaaazzzzyyy to say 40%? greater than 40%?
07-11-2015 , 02:55 AM
Just watched the new Anthony Bourdain show on Beirut. Man they are terrified of ISIS down to every single person.
07-11-2015 , 05:28 AM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Just watched the new Anthony Bourdain show on Beirut. Man they are terrified of ISIS down to every single person.
Surely

you meant to say Israel, instead?
07-11-2015 , 05:54 AM
No. He was talking about Anthony Bourdain in Beirut.
07-11-2015 , 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by NC Flounce
I'm not a Sunni Muslim, so its hard for me this number relevant to my immediate life, friends and family.

Tell me, what % do you think support attacks on Christians? Jews? Other "infidel" groups we've seen suffer under Islamist hands recently, Yazidis / Zoroastrians / Druze / Ba'hai,

how about Israeli babies sleeping in their cribs? What % support slitting their necks as a form of heroic "resistance" ?

Would it be crrraaaaaaazzzzyyy to say 40%? greater than 40%?
3.50%?

Clearly less than 40%.

Have you never met a western Muslim? They are just normal people. They don't give a ****.
07-13-2015 , 12:44 AM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
3.50%?

Clearly less than 40%.

Have you never met a western Muslim? They are just normal people. They don't give a ****.
They are normal people, in that they're generally good dudes but they also support the side they identify with, which means they'll explain away atrocities as a result of "the occupation" and aggressively impute ill-intent on the side they don't like. Of course YMMV and any individual could have a laundry list of uncommon opinions so not much point in prejudging.
07-13-2015 , 01:58 AM
I really don't know what Phil is droning on about 40% of Muslims for. Chances are much better at least some of the 9% is from non-Muslims that don't know what's going on, want to troll a pollster, or just want to be special.
07-13-2015 , 10:09 AM
40% of Sunni Muslims is equal to 1% of the British population. My point was less than a percent of brits will support isis and it'd be silly to believe otherwise.

Discussing the poll results is pointless. The most logical reason for that 9% is they made it all up. Without a reliable poll run by a reliable organisation we don't know anything.
07-13-2015 , 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Gamblor
They are normal people, in that they're generally good dudes but they also support the side they identify with, which means they'll explain away atrocities as a result of "the occupation" and aggressively impute ill-intent on the side they don't like. Of course YMMV and any individual could have a laundry list of uncommon opinions so not much point in prejudging.
Were you going for super ironic given your historic pro Israel posts?
07-13-2015 , 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
Were you going for super ironic given your historic pro Israel posts?
You do realize that I'm Israeli, right? Army, Hummus, the whole thing. I've never made any attempt to hide that or to pretend it's not why I have the positions I do.

But I'm also, "historically", much better than you at knowing wtf is going on and why you are "historically" wrong about your simplistic positions and policy ideas re what to do about it.
07-13-2015 , 11:41 AM
Lol no phil is right, that post is full of irony coming from you, Gamblor
07-13-2015 , 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Lilu7
Lol no phil is right, that post is full of irony coming from you, Gamblor
So sayeth the man who managed to write this post, proving my point exactly as written.

Anyway, thank you for your post and your knowledgeable contribution contained new, insightful information and perspective, was well-researched, thought out, and robust, and led me to reconsider my position.
07-14-2015 , 01:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Lilu7
Lol no phil is right, that post is full of irony coming from you, Gamblor
Kinda funny, this is one of your only posts in this thread, maybe your only one, and it makes no comment on ISIL/ISIS whatsoever, and pretty much just parrots Phil's nonsense.

What makes it even more ironic, and sad, is you have the nerve to say this to anyone else, in the world, on any topic, ever:

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Originally Posted by Lilu7
Now you're just being intellectually dishonest
Time to look in the mirror, lilu

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Originally Posted by [Phill]
Were you going for super ironic given your historic pro Israel posts?
Are you going for super duper ultra hyper extra ironic, given your historic "pro palestine" posts? Phil, who isn't even palestinian, arab, or muslim, and has demonstrated repeatedly how uninformed and worse- misinformed he is on the Arab-Israeli conflict? I bet you weren't... which, I think makes it even more ironic now. I don't know for sure, too many levels and intensities of irony going on.
07-14-2015 , 03:15 AM
Iraq Begins Military Operation to Drive ISIS From Anbar Province

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It was not immediately clear if the operation would be more effective than an earlier one that Iraq announced in May, when the Islamic State seized Ramadi, the provincial capital, after holding Falluja for more than a year. Little has changed on the ground since then.
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Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi declared on Monday, “We will take revenge on ISIS criminals on the battlefields, and the heroes in the armed forces and the popular mobilization and the tribal fighters are defeating ISIS in one battle after the other.”
07-14-2015 , 11:20 AM
“We will take revenge on ISIS criminals on the battlefields, and the heroes in the armed forces and the popular mobilization and the tribal fighters are defeating ISIS in one battle after the other.”


07-15-2015 , 04:44 AM
the oil agreement between Kurdistan and Baghdad appeared to be breaking down for the past few weeks, now it seems to be completely broken.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...-of-own-output

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Iraq’s self-ruled Kurds are bypassing the government in Baghdad and independently selling all the crude oil exported from their region for the first time as they take greater control of their own affairs.

The Kurds...haven’t sold any oil through the national marketing agency since June, Safeen Dizayee, a spokesman for the Kurdistan Regional Government, or KRG, said on Monday.

In a further step toward financial independence from the central government, the Kurdish parliament has approved a plan to sell as much as $5 billion in bonds to pay for infrastructure projects, he said in a telephone interview from the city of Erbil. It may issue $2 billion in an initial sale, he said.
07-15-2015 , 02:41 PM
Wtf is Baghdad going to do - invade?
07-15-2015 , 03:20 PM
time will tell i guess, in the short term i'd say likely nothing because there's nothing they can do . the decision re: the degree of integration of Kurdistan in Iraq seems to be the Kurds' decision alone right now. that depends on how far they want to go. the situation will probably be used to leverage a more favorable agreement with Baghdad, but if Turkey supports it and the US accepts it we may see an independent Kurdistan. i don't know why the Kurds would choose to be part of the cluster**** that is the Iraqi state.

when ISIS routed the Iraqi Army the Kurds took the opportunity to occupy Kirkuk, a contested, mixed Kurdish/Arab city with a ****load oil, and has controlled it ever since. from the same article:
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The accord “seems close to collapse, if not there already,” Robin Mills, a Dubai-based analyst at Manaar Energy Consulting, said Wednesday by e-mail. “I still find it hard to see the KRG de facto annexing Kirkuk and its oil, or Baghdad tolerating that.”
that brings it back to your question, what can they actually do about it though? right now, sternly worded letters i guess?
07-15-2015 , 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by DrawNone
time will tell i guess, in the short term i'd say likely nothing because there's nothing they can do . the decision re: the degree of integration of Kurdistan in Iraq seems to be the Kurds' decision alone right now. that depends on how far they want to go. the situation will probably be used to leverage a more favorable agreement with Baghdad, but if Turkey supports it and the US accepts it we may see an independent Kurdistan. i don't know why the Kurds would choose to be part of the cluster**** that is the Iraqi state.

when ISIS routed the Iraqi Army the Kurds took the opportunity to occupy Kirkuk, a contested, mixed Kurdish/Arab city with a ****load oil, and has controlled it ever since. from the same article:


that brings it back to your question, what can they actually do about it though? right now, sternly worded letters i guess?
Kurdistan can't ship its oil out without going through Iran, Iraq, Syria, or Turkey.
07-21-2015 , 11:49 AM
The life of a British suicide bomber

http://www.joshualandis.com/blog/the...y-tam-hussein/

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But to him the sacred and the profane was photoshopped with pop culture. These young men, in typical post-modern style comfortably mixed iconic images of Jihadica with Call of Duty. Sitting in an Italian cafe, Ali, a student who grew up in and around Ladbroke Grove told me even more bluntly what he thought the problem was; “There’s more to it, you have a high percentage of Roadmans who don’t know anything about the faith and they discover Anwar Awlaki on Youtube and it’s a disaster. On top of that everything they watch from Lord of the Rings to 300, to Saving Private Ryan to Black Hawk Down everything about the Western culture celebrates heroism and self sacrifice. Some of their fathers also fought in Afghanistan, they have a fighting mentality because of the streets and once you put religion into it; which says helping the weak and oppressed is good, you got a Jihadi Roadman. It’s so predictable. Notice that most of these Roadmans joined ISIS; the rest with any sense of the faith didn’t.”

Fatlum’s friend Mohammed Nasser was a case in point; going through his twitter feed you notice that Grand Theft Auto Five is mentioned in the same breath as martyrdom, even though GTA is probably the most antithetical to the Islamic moral ethic.
07-23-2015 , 03:53 PM
Turkey ramping up it's game by allowing expanded use of it's airbases:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/24/wo...kes-syria.html
07-23-2015 , 04:32 PM
Good
07-23-2015 , 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

At least there's one place in the middle east where any race, religion, or ethnicity, is safe- even if they are a homosexual.

Then again, "pinkwashing", yo



Of course the usual humanitarians P/PU are completely uninterested in the plight of human beings across the middle east, except that one safe haven

      
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