If they provoke us into doing something really stupid? Yeah.

Otherwise no. The only think they are capable of is scaring us.

Well we don't know who, how many, or where the enemy is. Isn't that harder to defeat than a country where we at least know who we are fighting? It's really hard to beat somebody who wants to die.

If your main point is that vilifying Islamophobes bigots is wrong, then I have to disagree. Take the Ground Zero mosque, for example. All kinds of people got super worked up about that, but you could easily say their concerned were directed at Islam rather than at Muslims (it could be debated, but the position isn't ludicrous). Does that mean I shouldn't criticise the absurdity and hypocrisy and bigotry of those people, if I see it?

If you read Sim Rah who I posted earlier a lot of that stuff is happening already.

I think (hope) it's happening in more and more. Look at how many people in the Manchester bomber's community tried to turn him in. One was his Imam, whom the bomber confronted after the gave a sermon denouncing terrorism. Maybe that doesn't happen 10-20 years ago, I dunno.

I do know that no one on earth except for terrorist wants to be knows as someone who inspired or abetted a terrorists. So maybe the firey-but-non-radical Imams have cut back on the crazy talk.

Literally no one outside of ISIS likes ISIS, they are the most despised group in most of the Muslim world. 20 years ago Al Queada was still kinda cool in a lot of the Muslim world in a bad boy way. That doesn't happen much anymore. No one's selling ISIS figurines in backwoods Pakistan or Indonesia like they did with OBL. They hate that ****.

And here's where I'll admit that I assume some fear of freakout from the West is probably fueling that. So I'm not against pressure from the West necessarily, as long as it doesn't embolden idiots like in the videos I posted.

We have to do what the terrorists explicitly say they hope we'll do, otherwise the terrorists win.

Sure - but in the US are you personally in any greater danger from them than you are from dying on the highway, getting mauled by a pit bull, or getting shot by a toddler?

It terrifies me that this country is one Bataclan-level attack from becoming a complete ****-show.

Imagine if the Orlando attack was a white church instead of a gay latino nightclub. 50 dead white Christians including women and children. This country is a completely different place right now.

So when are we going to confront the demented ideology of American whiteness?

These people are a million times more of a threat to our safety and security than ISIS could ever possibly be:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9YPYRaeTW0

When are moderate American whites going to start refuting extreme American whites. When are they going to stand up and say this isn't okay, and when are the moderate pastors going to start standing up to the extremist pastors and Nazis and telling them enough is enough, we aren't going to let you push your toxic ideology of Whiteness on our children any longer?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o6-bi3jlxk

When are moderate American whites going to speak up against the toxic and violent and self-destructive nature of the ideology of whiteness? It is killing people literally every day, while we sit and gawk at a couple of idiots with knives and a van. These people have powerful assault weapons and they have largely infiltrated our law enforcement agencies, both local, state, and federal.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/14/us/fbi...ims/index.html

Revoke passports / citizenship of any western born individual fighting in foreign lands. Don't allow them to return. Thats a start but its not currently legal to do so.

Nah.

How would this work if it leaves someone stateless? Remember that at this point they are only suspects.

So you want us to callout extremist ideology when it's Islamic, but not when it's rooted directly in Whiteness. The only thing is, the extreme Whiteness is an actual threat to our country right now. The other one is just a blip on the radar, at least when it comes to dangers facing U.S. citizens.

I gotta say that seems incredibly counter-productive.

Muslims had (and have) every right to build a mosque wherever they want pursuant to zoning regulations. Anything else would seem like clear discrimination. That's just constitutional law.

But if you saw videos of those planes crashing full speed into buildings on 9/11 and now can't get on a plane because you have an irrational fear that an Islamic terrorist could be on board who will blow your plane out of the sky, that's a legit phobia in my opinion. It's irrational, but legit.

Terrorist images can be horrific. Especially, if you know a victim or someone who does. Images of people having their heads lopped off on video can have deep and lasting devastating effects on one's emotional psyche (in other words, the terrorist act was effective). These people do not have to be bigots any more than someone who witnessed a plane crash caused by an engine pylon falling off during takeoff won't fly for fear that their plane's engine might not be secured properly.

Having a fear of radical Islam is quite different than hating Muslims or thinking they are all bad people. You can even concede that 1,399,999,900 Muslims out of 1.4B are good peaceful people (just as you can conceded that 99.9% of all aircraft takeoffs won't crash), and still have a phobia. That's what makes it a phobia!

Nah

We get it. You eat hummus.

Like I said, its not legal as of right now.

But if there is evidence of these individuals committing war crimes in foreign lands, or fighting for an enemy foreign army, they shouldn't be allowed back.

Yay, let's give up more civil liberties in exchange for fighting a threat that is absolutely NOT a real threat, meanwhile white supremacist American cops are literally killing our kids and our black men every day out here. Maybe we should be focused on the real terrorist threat, the threat of Whiteness.

You really are a racist huh? "Our" black men. Didn't know you looked so down on the race to claim them as a possession. Vile racist.

Should absolutely be permabanned for that extremely racist comment!

So you're terrified of White people then, right?

Huh.

I'm pretty sure this happens now in the US. Euro countries are cracking down pretty quick too. The big problem is it's not like they declare "yeah I fought for ISIS" on their entry form.

Syria stamp? Obviously a red flag. Turkey? Well...

I'd stop posting if I were you. Think about what you said and apologize or retract it. Nobody needs the racist comments.