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11-27-2011, 04:09 AM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: US to declare the "homeland" a battlefield.
Does that mean we will soon have predator drone strikes against US citizens on US soil?
Change we can believe in.
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11-27-2011, 04:29 AM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: California dreamin'
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Re: US to declare the "homeland" a battlefield.
You'd think twice about jaywalking
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11-27-2011, 04:46 AM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: US to declare the "homeland" a battlefield.
If that's not a direct attack on our constitution and way of life, i don't know what is
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11-27-2011, 05:13 AM
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old hand
Join Date: Jun 2008
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Re: US to declare the "homeland" a battlefield.
The War on Terror is a global war and one which our enemies fight on our home soil.
Face it, warfare has evolved far from its roots and in the interest of our security we have to accept bills like this one.
I usually disagree with John McCain but he is spot on here.
Just remember that your ability to criticize this bill without fear of retribution is exactly what we are fighting for.
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11-27-2011, 05:20 AM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Mar 2010
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Re: US to declare the "homeland" a battlefield.
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Originally Posted by iraise44
The War on Terror is a global war and one which our enemies fight on our home soil.
Face it, warfare has evolved far from its roots and in the interest of our security we have to accept bills like this one.
I usually disagree with John McCain but he is spot on here.
Just remember that your ability to criticize this bill without fear of retribution is exactly what we are fighting for.
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You first?
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11-27-2011, 06:08 AM
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old hand
Join Date: Apr 2006
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Re: US to declare the "homeland" a battlefield.
Not that I support this bill, but it does specifically disclaim applicability to US citizens and lawful resident aliens. The hyperbolic reactions with inaccurate claims of what the bill will do are unwarranted and harmful, imho.
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11-27-2011, 06:49 AM
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musician
Join Date: Sep 2007
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Re: US to declare the "homeland" a battlefield.
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Originally Posted by iraise44
The War on Terror is a global war and one which our enemies fight on our home soil.
Face it, warfare has evolved far from its roots and in the interest of our security we have to accept bills like this one.
I usually disagree with John McCain but he is spot on here.
Just remember that your ability to criticize this bill without fear of retribution is exactly what we are fighting for.
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omfg
Yeah free speech is worth fighting for. It's worth noting that American citizens have been assassinated without due process for exercising their free speech. But hey, let's get more of the same!
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11-27-2011, 06:57 AM
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musician
Join Date: Sep 2007
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Re: US to declare the "homeland" a battlefield.
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Originally Posted by GMontag
Not that I support this bill, but it does specifically disclaim applicability to US citizens and lawful resident aliens. The hyperbolic reactions with inaccurate claims of what the bill will do are unwarranted and harmful, imho.
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1st_amendment
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A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2nd_amendment
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The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth...s_Constitution
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No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_...s_Constitution
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In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6th_Amendment
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The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninth_...s_Constitution
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The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10th_amendment
Citizen or not, all people in the United States have rights, and they are protected by the bill of rights.
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11-27-2011, 07:12 AM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Jan 2008
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Re: US to declare the "homeland" a battlefield.
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Originally Posted by LirvA
omfg
Yeah free speech is worth fighting for. It's worth noting that American citizens have been assassinated without due process for exercising their free speech. But hey, let's get more of the same!
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wow did you just get levelled
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11-27-2011, 07:14 AM
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musician
Join Date: Sep 2007
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Re: US to declare the "homeland" a battlefield.
one can only hope
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11-27-2011, 07:23 AM
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Gifmister
Join Date: Nov 2011
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Re: US to declare the "homeland" a battlefield.
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Originally Posted by iraise44
Face it, warfare has evolved far from its roots and in the interest of our security we have to accept bills like this one.
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Agreed. In time of war some of us have to sacrifice some freedoms for the overall national security.
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11-27-2011, 07:38 AM
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old hand
Join Date: Apr 2006
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Re: US to declare the "homeland" a battlefield.
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Originally Posted by LirvA
Citizen or not, all people in the United States have rights, and they are protected by the bill of rights.
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I agree, but sensationalistic and inaccurate reporting does no good. The truth is the bill, as currently written, will not change the status quo.
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11-27-2011, 07:49 AM
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musician
Join Date: Sep 2007
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Re: US to declare the "homeland" a battlefield.
Bull****.
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Affirms that the United States is in an armed conflict with al Qaeda, the Taliban, and associated forces, and that the President is authorized to detain unprivileged enemy belligerents in connection with such conflict until the termination of hostilities.
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http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...14&postcount=4
This affirmation nonsense is a ****ing joke. The president is NOT authorized to do such things.
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11-27-2011, 08:01 AM
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old hand
Join Date: Apr 2006
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Re: US to declare the "homeland" a battlefield.
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Originally Posted by LirvA
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Lol, yes, the President as Commander in Chief has always been legally able to detain prisoners of war until the end of hostilities.
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11-27-2011, 08:08 AM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Toronto
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Re: US to declare the "homeland" a battlefield.
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Originally Posted by EricLindros
Contacted my Senator, but he's a hawkish douchebag and I didn't contribute tens of thousands of dollars to his last campaign, so into the re-education facility I goes. |
FYP. It was nice knowing you.
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