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09-12-2012 , 05:37 PM

#151

Omniheart

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lol foxnews wtf

09-12-2012 , 05:53 PM

#152

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ITT we learn that many liberals think free speech is great...as long as it meets their approval.

is there any liberal here challenging the right to free speech?

09-12-2012 , 05:57 PM

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Malcom X? Was he responsible for his murder? Also admonishing him for what he says isn't the same as calling him responsible for the actions of others.

is someone who incites a riot at all responsible for the people who are incited to riot?

if someone influences someone to do something horrific... are they always blameless?

I just don't think its black and white. Why are we admonishing him? I would be admonishing him for not only being a hateful bigot but for intentionally trying to incite violence. I just don't see how one can be completely absolved responsibility if one tries to incite violence through speech and succeeds.

09-12-2012 , 05:58 PM

#154

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Originally Posted by kurto

is there any liberal here challenging the right to free speech?

Well, he thinks so, but that's because he doesn't know what free speech is. Conservatives love to talk about free speech when someone calls them racist after they say something racist, though.

09-12-2012 , 05:59 PM

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Tipper Gore likes your philosophy here Kurto.

09-12-2012 , 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Omar Comin

Cover of Foxnews.com is a picture of a probably dead Christopher Stevens, I don't know why they would show that.

they were very upset that pictures of a dead and bloody OBL weren't distributed. They need to see dead pictures or it didn't happen.

09-12-2012 , 05:59 PM

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They're investigating it more as a coordinated attack that used the video as a cover and wasn't really a reason FWIW.

09-12-2012 , 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by kurto

is there any liberal here challenging the right to free speech?

Silly kurto, don't you know what free speech means speech without consequences? Don't squelch racists' free speech by calling them racist!

09-12-2012 , 06:06 PM

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There is no way that film cost $5m

Also, it turns out that all the offensive references have been crudely dubbed over what is actually being said.

This implies that the actual film that was made may not necessarily have even been intended to insult Muslims (at least not to the extent it has). Also nobody seems to know who the hell Mr Bacile is, only that he operates the youtube account where the excerpt was shown.

Here's a hopefully wide of the mark theory. An internet troll gets hold of some awful footage from a terribly made film and overdubs it. Creates a little backstory for himself and releases it to the press.

If it's actually that easy to incite riots then we're in trouble.

Last edited by WillieWin?; 09-12-2012 at 06:14 PM. Reason: it is that easy isn't it? What a bummer of a world.

09-12-2012 , 06:11 PM

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Apparently the actors thought it was a movie set in ancient Egypt.

http://gawker.com/5942748/it-makes-m...as-about-islam

09-12-2012 , 06:16 PM

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Because it's the real world, sunshine. Why do I have to live in fear of getting punched in the mouth for calling black people the n-word everywhere I go?

Ahh the real world defense. More like the freedom of speech is legal punching, stabbing or shooting is not. Hmmm maybe it's not fair ppl can say whatever they want to hurt someone and know they won't be shot. Maybe change the law so you don't have to get a sympathetic jury to get off. You call John Wayne a cracker and he shoots you in the face....I HONESTLY have no probelm with this.

Because Muslims aren't a hate group any more than Christians are.

Yes they and so are Christians.

Just like bullying in school....bullies can do whatever they want and no one can stop them...time to pass a law letting someone stand up for themselves.

09-12-2012 , 06:18 PM

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Wow. So he's put the lives of his actors at risk through deceit to make a personal point. What a legend.

09-12-2012 , 06:25 PM

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The video was tasteless hateful and designed to provoke and should be condemned, but not because of what happened. There is no direct link. If it was clear tomorrow that the attacks had nothing to do with the Terry Jones video it wouldn't change my attitude towards said video one bit and neither should it change yours.

Storming US soil and ruining our flag in egypt.......

U do realize Regan would have shot them all

09-12-2012 , 06:25 PM

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'Sam Bacile' is an anagram of 'Basic Male'. Unlikely to be relevant, but still.

This whole thing is ****ing weird, right?

09-12-2012 , 06:26 PM

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I don't think the only choice is either take away his rights or absolve him completely of any blame. People can speak out against Terry Jones and discuss that his actions are wrong in that they are intended to incite reactions just like this without taking away free speech.

Counter his speech with speech.

I think the violent muslims who would kill people for insulting their religious beliefs are horrible criminal people. I think people who would attempt to incite these horrible people are also horrible people.

I find it easy to find them all deplorable.

I can get behind this

09-12-2012 , 06:29 PM

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I disagree that Islam as a religion is a threat to global peace. I do however think its tragic that muslim countries are in many cases intollerant, homophobic, sexist and without any real freedom of speach. These aspects of their culture are strongly influensed by Islam imo.

If I give one thing to Islam is that I dont' get crazy idiots coming up to my porch trying to sell me a koran for 10 bucks and ask me to allow them in serve them Ice Tea and tell me why I should join their religon and put monies in their corruption baskets every sunday

09-12-2012 , 06:30 PM

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Wow. So he's put the lives of his actors at risk through deceit to make a personal point. What a legend.

Not my actors he died way before my time... I should have said Commander Worf...Klingons have bad tempers talking crap to them will incite violence.

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09-12-2012 , 06:31 PM

#168

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Originally Posted by govman6767

Storming US soil and ruining our flag in egypt.......

U do realize Regan would have shot them all

Your reply to my post is weird. How does it relate to what I said?

09-12-2012 , 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by govman6767

Not my actors he died way before my time... I should have said Commander Worf...Klingons have bad tempers talking crap to them will incite violence.

I am unable to understand wtf you are talking about here. I was responding to the link in the post above yours where one of the actors claims to have participated in a completely different script to the one that was overdubbed by Bacile.

It seems he conned his cast into making an anti - islamic film without their knowledge. This is not the height of decency.

09-12-2012 , 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by All-In Flynn

'Sam Bacile' is an anagram of 'Basic Male'. Unlikely to be relevant, but still.

This whole thing is ****ing weird, right?

well it sounds more like imbecile, but yeah

09-12-2012 , 06:46 PM

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http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/gov-g...g-libya-attack

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It is tragic when Americans serving their country are murdered, and we both mourn their loss and honor their service.

Part of honoring that service is to ask the obvious question: What U.S. interest is being served by putting our people – and our money – in places where U.S. personnel can be killed by extremists over a video? We launched millions of dollars worth of missiles to bring down Gaddafi, and this is what we get. We hail and encourage the outbreak of an Arab Spring in Egypt, send them billions of dollars we can’t afford, — and our embassy is breached and our flag desecrated.

In Afghanistan, we continue to put our troops in harm’s way 10 years after our post-9/11 mission was complete. Why?

The airwaves are filled today with political chest-pounding and calls for decisive action. The most decisive and prudent action we can take today is to stop trying to manage governments and peoples on the other side of the globe who don’t want to be managed, get our people out of impossible situations that have no direct U.S. interest, and immediately stop sending money to regimes who clearly cannot or will not control their own countries.

Protecting America with a strong national defense and a rational foreign policy is our leaders’ most basic responsibility. But let us not confuse national security with senseless intervention where our interests are clearly not being served.

09-12-2012 , 06:49 PM

#172

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https://www.facebook.com/LibyaAlhurraLivestream

tons more pictures from today here

09-12-2012 , 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Omar Comin

Cover of Foxnews.com is a picture of a probably dead Christopher Stevens, I don't know why they would show that.

I believe that the NYTimes was the first to run the picture of Stevens' body (and it stands by that decision). Odd that people are only calling out Fox News for running the picture.

http://publiceditor.blogs.nytimes.co...acceptable/?hp

09-12-2012 , 06:50 PM

#174

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Pretty stupid from GJ, imo. I'm all for less meddling in the ME, of course, but cutting off diplomatic relations entirely with every Islamic country and withdrawing all our ambassadors is pretty ****ing stupid.

09-12-2012 , 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/gov-g...g-libya-attack

I like most of what Johnson says but this is legitimately terrible. His implication that we should not have consulates and embassies around the world is not only completely unrealistic but also completely ******ed.

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