I don't think the only choice is either take away his rights or absolve him completely of any blame. People can speak out against Terry Jones and discuss that his actions are wrong in that they are intended to incite reactions just like this without taking away free speech.

Counter his speech with speech.

I think the violent muslims who would kill people for insulting their religious beliefs are horrible criminal people. I think people who would attempt to incite these horrible people are also horrible people.

I find it easy to find them all deplorable.

kurto, do you think the doctor murdered for performing abortions was partially responsible for his own demise? if not, why?

If we just surrender to all their demands we can have peace.

I disagree that Islam as a religion is a threat to global peace. I do however think its tragic that muslim countries are in many cases intollerant, homophobic, sexist and without any real freedom of speach. These aspects of their culture are strongly influensed by Islam imo.

It is people like you who make others stereo type me into people like you, when I discuss middle eastern affairs,. making it impossible. You are wrong. Unequivocally.

Go read what Phil wrote about extremist.

No. But if the doctor made propaganda videos of what he was doing with the intent of pissing off pro-life people and then he was killed I would say he was partly responsible.

If I know that person A is someone who flips out when he is pushed about X... flips out so that he becomes violent. I then purposely rile A up by bringing up X... he then flips out as I knew he would, and violently hurts some random person. I bare no blame?

We can all admit that saying X to this person should never warrent physical violence on other people. Given that, I know that saying it will lead to it. So are you suggesting that I can incite people to violence endlessly leading to one violent act after another and I'll always be blameless?

So MLK was partly responsible for his murder? What do you think his public speeches provoked from ignorant racist?

Think about this carefully please.

This. This is not what is shown in the media from Iraq, Afghanistan, Kuwait and most other middle eastern countries.

ive agreed with pretty much everything you've posted in the last few posts, and i agree with the point youre making here.

Just as a point of clarification: Criminal law in most western countries does make it murder if you to do something you reasonably know or ought to have known will lead to the death of another person.

So, for example, cutting the brakes in a guy's car, or basically every scenario in the saw movies is the same thing, legally, as firing a gun in his ear.

again, its a long, questionable jump from "make an obnoxious, insulting video" to "ought to have known that an obnoxious, insulting video would lead to a death", and even longer, more questionable jump wrt to the abortion doctor. but the other side of that gap is visible.

No. Making a bigoted movie is wrong irrespective of whatever consequences come from the making of said movie. However, if violent consequences are easily predicted and if those violent consequences further your own political goals, it does make it worse.

I do not think that equivocates to speech...in most of those cases, if not all, a physical act occurred.

Wrong how? Morally? Ethically? Legally?

Interesting post from redditland:

WTF is that

Violence has nothing to do with Islam or Middle Eastern culture; it has to do with economic levels. Poor people who are less educated of course will be more violent on average than wealthier people who are educated. This isn't ****ing hard.

Since when is the Middle East homogeneous?

The culture in Riyadh is quite different from the culture in Beirut, not to mention the different segments within each city.

Obviously this too.

The filmmakers are partially responsible but not culpable. Based on the last thread I'd assume that people inclined to disagree with that are reading too much into the word 'responsible'. Just think cause and effect; I honestly don't think there's very much to disagree about here.

In all my travels to Kuwait, Iraq , Afghanistan, Bahrain, Qatar, Albania, Macedonia and Kosovo, to name a few high Muslim population areas, yet I've only been shot at three times.....how could this be if such hate exist toward Americans and Muslims were such violent people? I've been exposed to Muslims as an "occupying force" yet, I do not have the same view as some supposed Muslim. One could argue that I would provoke more violence tendencies than any random local just by my clothing.

I doubt the veracity of that story above.

It was an al-Qaeda attack that used the protest as a distraction. I have no idea what this thread is even arguing anymore.

Weirder and weirder, though the claim to be an Israeli Jew would be in line with trying to rouse up some hatred.

http://m.theatlantic.com/internation...l-name/262290/

This too.

I'd like to do two polls, the first being, "Was Terry Jones at all responsible by releasing this video, knowing that it might lead to unjustified but easily foreseeable deaths?"

The second, "Are women at all to blame for sexual assaults when they walk alone in high crime areas wearing revealing clothing?"


I'll bet the answers to each poll would not mesh well when sorted by user names.